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[waytam]

anyone can help identify this? is it real? and how much is the cost.

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

it was dug somewhere here in our place (philippines)

Those guys in the Philippines have all the luck...

Congratulations on such an OUTSTANDING find...

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,71928.0.html

 

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[texan connection]

I would be glad to purchase onr for 2.00 american money

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I wish we had a bit clearer picture to compare the Philippino find with a real certificate, just for fun.

 

[texan connection]

This phillipine treasure thing always intrested me, All I can figure is someone found some great cache and the whole place went bonkers with hustlers and treasure tales, I'v seen several post here attempting to lure Americans into the trap. I'td be great for someone if these were real and Id gladly invest 2.00 poatage to find out for you. Please send one to me and I will have it authinticated

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

The $100,000 dollar bill is actually not a dollar bill at all, it's a gold certificate. What's a gold certificate? Well a gold certificate is money that the government prints that only they can own and use. It is intended for only the use in Fiscal Channels. They were never issued or used for general circulation.

Yes, correct, the $100,000 gold certificates were never issued or used for general circulation. However, I used to have some older $20 dollar bills that were also gold certificates, and could be exchanged for gold on demand from the US government. (so it said) The one dollar bills were silver certificates in 1934 and 1957, I recall. I also believe ten dollar bills were gold certificates. Those were the days. Our paper money is no longer backed by gold and/or silver. Even the coins are cheap clad. It used to say "in gold coin payable to the bearer on demand" (gold or silver).
http://www.jhonecash.com/smallsize/goldcert.php
http://www.jhonecash.com/currency/showenlarged.php?id=799&side=front

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

This phillipine treasure thing always intrested me, All I can figure is someone found some great cache and the whole place went bonkers with hustlers and treasure tales, I'v seen several post here attempting to lure Americans into the trap. I'td be great for someone if these were real and Id gladly invest 2.00 poatage to find out for you. Please send one to me and I will have it authinticated

Ill buy one. I have paypal.

 

[jeff of pa]

Measure One
Give us the Size.

 

[Angelo]

Found these at:

http://www.xenophilia.com/blog/index.php?paged=49

I also noted that just last month an attorney and others were arrested for counterfeiting the note. I can see how now days they could be counterfeited as the notes are readily available on the net.

So how, if these found in the Philippines (as the case they are in appears to be old) could have been counterfeited, if only the banks held them, and not the general public. Where would a counterfeiter get a copy to copy?

Furthermore, I found that it is illegal to hold even the real ones, even if you are a collector. BSTRDS! However, being in the Phillipines??

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

The beauty of counterfeiting currency outside of the country is that it's either not illegal in that foreign country or a minor crime at best. I guess INTERPOL has made it borderless, but only among countries that agree to participate.

Look at the word "CERTIFICATE" over the seal in the Phillipine version vs the "official" document. The curve is different (the Phillipine version goes to the bottom of the seal, the real does not).

These were probably novelty prints for an event or promotion. No one would counterfeit an impassable denomintion (bank-to-bank).

 

[La Beep]

I lived in the Philippines and worked at the US embassy there. I would see someone bring in some of these every month. All counterfeit. There use to be a Secret Service Agent assigned there but have moved to Guam. You can request they come look at the money. The Secret Service has been replaced by the FBI at the US Embassy.

Best Of Luck
La Beep

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

The beauty of counterfeiting currency outside of the country is that it's either not illegal in that foreign country or a minor crime at best. I guess INTERPOL has made it borderless, but only among countries that agree to participate.

Look at the word "CERTIFICATE" over the seal in the Phillipine version vs the "official" document. The curve is different (the Phillipine version goes to the bottom of the seal, the real does not).

Even the lettering is different type.

In the olden days, counterfeiting was a real work of art. An artist had to actually carve out a "plate" that could be used to print the money. Must have taken years to make 2 good ones. (front and back)
Nowadays there is no artist needed, only a criminal mind. Modern counterfeits are merely printed. The trick nowadays is in the paper. The paper cannot be bought or duplicated anywhere. Look for the tiny red and blue threads which can be faked with a pen. I remember someone, back in the day, puting red and blue poker chips in a dryer with his homemade bills in an attempt to duplicate. Look for the proper watermark. Nowadays counterfeiters will bleach out a small denomination bill and print something higher. Its common for bleached out $10 bills to be reprinted to $20. The paper will match but the watermark will not. The government has recently added all types of things, such as a security thread and color shifting ink, trying to make printing of bills harder to do. I could go on and on but you get the point.
http://www.secretservice.gov/kym_3_06.pdf
Maybe you have an old type of counterfeit (before printing became widespread) and could have some value.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I did a little search on old style counterfeiting (with plates of steel,copper, glass) and come up with some interesting links.

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archiv...0D61738E334BC4152DFB6678389649FDE&oref=slogin

http://www.timesrecordnews.com/news/2008/jan/11/hidden-counterfeit-plates-spark-investigation/
In the process of adding a closet, Mitchell Hawkins broke through a wall and made a startling discovery. Sealed into the wall was an old $20 bill — and something wrapped in yellowing newspaper. What Mitchell discovered when he opened the paper was five glass plates for making $20 bills.


I wish we had a clearer picture of a bill, waytam. I found another discrepancy. Look to the right, under "Washington, DC". The "series of 1934" type appears much larger on yours. You may have an old plate style counterfeit.

 

[Az Old Noob]

Kind of an obvious question, but are the serial numbers sequential? Or identical?

 

[BuckleBoy]

Kind of an obvious question, but are the serial numbers sequential? Or identical?

This is PURE GENIUS! After how many replies? LOL.

Nice work, Noob.


I think now what this thread needs is for Mr. 5 Posts to come back and give us some more information.


-Buckleboy

 

[FlatCat]

Look at the word "CERTIFICATE" over the seal in the Phillipine version vs the "official" document. The curve is different (the Phillipine version goes to the bottom of the seal, the real does not).

Good eye, Charlie. Also notice that it is in a different typeface/font.


FC

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Look at the word "CERTIFICATE" over the seal in the Phillipine version vs the "official" document. The curve is different (the Phillipine version goes to the bottom of the seal, the real does not).

Good eye, Charlie. Also notice that it is in a different typeface/font.


FC

Also "series of 1934" is different. (under Washington DC on the bottom right).

 

[texan connection]

Dont mean to Hi jack the thread but love showing the big pile of counterfites I found, All the same serial #'s, always makes me laugh

 

[bradyboy]

can we have a story on the pic / counterfeits?
Please?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Dont mean to Hi jack the thread but love showing the big pile of counterfites I found, All the same serial #'s, always makes me laugh

Cool find. Where did you find it? Looks like 20's and 100's. What was the paper quality?

 

[texan connection]

I found them in a purse under a bridge It was kind of sureal,(opening the purse and seeing this wet lump of bills all laid flat about 1 inch thick) I kept detecting for a while and wondering what to do with a wet pile of cash, how to cash it in, whered it come from? Took it home and showed my wife we tried to get some apart but they fell to pieces, so I dried em all night (couldent sleep much) and was able to peal a few.
Funny I felt kinda guilty, then saw the serial #'s. Kind of a relief, and I busted out laughing.
I called the seriff and he was pretty adament about having them ASAP, called me back several times wanting me to go out of my way (20 miles) to turn em in, he was pressed for employees so I took em to Calvert PD on the way to work, It was hillarious holding a gallon bag of cash in the PD's office,(even the cop was laughing when I told em the story) we figured it was around 5 grand or so.
He said the were being passed a while back but when things got hot it stopped. I guess this was some left overs tossed off the bridge.
The rollecoaster ride of diffrent feelings always cracks me up. It was a freaking rush.

The paper looked and felt real to me at the time, kinda thick. (Course I was still hoping) . I kept a couple and wrote counterfiet across the front so no one would ever attempt to spend em.