Jesuit, (NOT PERALTA) Stone Maps.

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Clay Diggins said:
Jesuit celestial navigation refers to the astronomical and navigational techniques developed and practiced by Jesuit priests during the 16th and 17th centuries. The Jesuits, a Catholic religious order, emphasized the importance of exploration and spreading their knowledge across the globe during the Age of Discovery.

Jesuit celestial navigation involved the use of celestial bodies such as the sun, moon, stars, and planets to determine the position and direction of a ship or an explorer in the vast expanse of the ocean. By observing the angles and positions of these celestial bodies, Jesuits were able to calculate latitude and longitude, helping navigators to accurately plot their course and determine their location.

The Jesuits made significant contributions to the field of celestial navigation, developing more accurate instruments and methods for observations, and creating detailed charts and navigational guides. They also trained explorers in the celestial navigation techniques they developed.

The knowledge and expertise of Jesuit navigators played a crucial role in facilitating European exploration and colonization during that period. Their skills were employed in various maritime expeditions, including those of Christopher Columbus and other early explorers, helping to expand geographical knowledge and enable safer and more efficient sea voyages.
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EXACTLY!
 

Simple fact, you cannot determine Longitude using only a back staff
you need a time reference.
it is simple really, if you understand the basics.
I recommend these books to get you started.
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It is not possible to determine longitude using only a back staff. The back staff, also known as the Davis quadrant, is an instrument used to measure the altitude of celestial objects, such as the sun or stars. By measuring the altitude of the sun at noon, navigators can determine their latitude.

However, determining longitude requires accurate timekeeping, as it involves comparing local time with the time at a known reference point, such as Greenwich, England. This is typically done using a chronometer, a highly accurate timekeeping device used in navigation. Without an accurate method of measuring time, it is not possible to determine longitude solely using a back staff.
 

There are several different methods to determine longitude, including:
  1. Celestial Navigation: This method involves observing the positions of celestial bodies, such as the Sun, Moon, stars, and planets, using a sextant. By comparing the observed positions with known reference points, the longitude can be calculated.
  2. Time Difference: This method relies on comparing the local time with a known reference time, usually Greenwich Mean Time (GMT). The time difference between a location and the reference location provides the longitude. This method requires accurate timekeeping instruments, such as chronometers or atomic clocks.
  3. Lunar Distance Method: This method involves measuring the angular distance between the Moon and another celestial body, typically a star or a planet, using a sextant. By comparing the measured lunar distance with pre-calculated tables, the longitude can be determined.
  4. Radio Navigation: This method utilizes radio signals from fixed transmitters to determine the time difference between the received signal and a known reference time. The time difference gives the longitude of the receiving location.
  5. Global Positioning System (GPS): GPS is a satellite-based navigation system that uses multiple satellites to determine the position, including longitude, of a receiver on Earth. The GPS receiver calculates the longitude by triangulating signals from at least four satellites.
  6. Dead Reckoning: This method involves estimating the position based on previous course, speed, and time traveled. It is commonly used by navigators at sea, but it is prone to cumulative errors and requires constant updates to determine longitude accurately.
It is important to note that the determination of longitude has evolved over time, and modern methods, such as GPS, have greatly improved accuracy and ease of use compared to traditional methods.
 

The Jesuits did use the backstaff as a navigational instrument. The backstaff, also known as the Davis quadrant, was a navigational tool commonly used by sailors during the 16th and 17th centuries to measure the angle of the sun or a celestial body above the horizon. The Jesuits, being explorers and missionaries, often utilized various navigational instruments, including the backstaff, to aid their voyages and expeditions.
 

Jesuits are members of the Society of Jesus, a religious order within the Catholic Church. As Catholic priests, they commit to a life of celibacy, which means abstaining from sexual activity.
 

There is no credible evidence or historical record to suggest that Jesuits, who are members of the Society of Jesus, have married donkeys. This appears to be a false or fabricated claim. The Jesuits are a Catholic religious order, known for their teachings, missionary work, and educational institutions.
 

Clay Diggins said:
In the 1700s, the Jesuits determined their longitudinal positions, or longitudes, primarily through astronomical observation and measurement techniques. Here are some of the methods they employed:
  1. Solar Observations: The Jesuits used instruments like quadrants, astronomical globes, and telescopes to observe the position of the Sun at noon. By comparing the local solar noon with a standard reference (usually the Greenwich Mean Time at a specific date), they could calculate the difference in longitudes.
  2. Lunar Observations: The position of the Moon relative to specific stars was observed and recorded. This information was then compared with known lunar ephemerides (tables predicting the Moon's position over time) to calculate longitudes.
  3. Celestial Navigation: Jesuit astronomers also made use of celestial navigation methods, particularly by measuring the positions of stars and planets at specific times. These observations were compared with astronomical tables like almanacs, which provided predicted positions of celestial objects, to calculate the longitudes.
  4. Transit of Venus: During the transit of Venus, when the planet passes in front of the Sun as viewed from Earth, the Jesuits calculated the time of the phenomenon from different locations. By comparing the timings and triangulation, they could determine the longitudes.
  5. Chronometers: In the latter part of the 18th century, the Jesuits began using accurate chronometers, which are precise timekeeping devices, to measure the time difference between their location and a reference point. This time difference was then converted to longitudinal distance.
  6. Land Surveying: In some cases, the Jesuits used land surveying techniques to estimate distances between two points and then determined the longitudes based on these distances.
It is essential to note that these methods were not exclusive to the Jesuits and were also used by other astronomers, navigators, and scientists of the time.
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Until the first dependable chronometer was perfected in 1759, determination of longitude was unreliable, at least to the degree of accuracy that the OP is indicating. That suggests that if the rocks were carved by the Jesuits, allegedly using a precise "1847 lat/long" code", it was likely done sometime between 1759 and the Jesuits' expulsion in 1767.

However, the coordinates provided by the OP in Post#6 came from Google Earth, which of course use today's Prime Meridian, established 1n 1884 (0° longitude runs through Greenwich, England). Prior to 1884, Prime Meridians (0°) were numerous and all over the globe. The Jesuits could have used any of these zero points. They could have even established a random private Prime Meridian known only to themselves. If that were the case, the string of waypoints shown would certainly have fallen somewhere else in central Arizona.

Bottom line: if the OP's allegations are true, and the waypoints he has revealed are coded to the carved rocks and lead to the payoff, then the rocks were carved later than 1884.
 

It may do well to inject this here, as it pertains to Jesuits. The first Jesuit was a Basque, and the Jesuits, and Basques looked out for one and other. The first to circumnavigate the globe was Basque explorer Juan Sebastian Elcano. Most ships and their navigators that explored the new world were made in Basque shipyards, as was "La Gallega" better known as the Santa Maria. Yes, Christopher Columbus was a Basque. His navigation skills however, may have been plus or minus half a world.:laughing7:

Besides being the best ship builders, and navigators, they also were the most knowledgeable miners, and owned some of the richest mines of the new world. The thing about the Basque people, is that they have the highest percentage of Berbers, or R negative blood. You can look up the traits of R- carriers, I won't list them all. The most important here, is that have ridiculously high IQ's, and seekers of the truth. Never play poker with a Basque, they can read you like a book.

It was a Basque who founded Durango, and he didn't believe in giving "la quinta" to the King, since they considered themselves royalty since their blood was never mixed with the Moors. That's why Tayopa was kept secret, and maybe even the Peralta mines of the Superstitions.

Cristóbal Peralta searched in Spain, for records of the Superstition mine, "nada" searched in Mexico, "nada", searched in Arizona, "y nada". Could the PSM's be the work of a Basque, or both Jesuit, Basque?
 

Holyground said:
It is wilderness.
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It looks like a lot of great information has now been given, from Clay and others, and I am well aware that it is wilderness, I live in Arizona. You started the thread, pretty much saying you know where it is, but apparently, is is BS.
 

Clay Diggins said:
The Jesuits did use the backstaff as a navigational instrument. The backstaff, also known as the Davis quadrant, was a navigational tool commonly used by sailors during the 16th and 17th centuries to measure the angle of the sun or a celestial body above the horizon. The Jesuits, being explorers and missionaries, often utilized various navigational instruments, including the backstaff, to aid their voyages and expeditions.
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Yes they did. Look at the Priest map. It is a cross staff, not a holy cross. This happened in 1767, 10 years after the Sextant went into use. 8 NP on the map means 8 North Polaris. 1767 was the only year it was 8 degrees! They could find longitude and latitude, believe me! I just can't deal with the Hyenas here. C-YA
 

Too bad you can’t, maybe you would have learned something
 

The North star Polaris was only 0.66 degrees off of the Earths axis of rotation in 2018, it changes only 1 deg every 71.2 years due to the precession of the equinox's
the last time Polaris was 8 degrees off of the Earths axis of rotation was in 1450, not 1767.
this is simple math and known by almost everyone with knowledge of even rudimentary celestial navigation techniques.
so I ask you to explain your meaning of 8 degrees NP
 

Polaris, also known as the North Star, currently lies approximately 0.77 degrees off the Earth's axis of rotation. The angle between the North Star and the Earth's axis changes gradually over long periods of time due to a phenomenon called axial precession. The last time Polaris was approximately 8 degrees off the Earth's axis was around 26,000 years ago.
 

alan m said:
The North star Polaris was only 0.66 degrees off of the Earths axis of rotation in 2018, it changes only 1 deg every 71.2 years due to the precession of the equinox's
the last time Polaris was 8 degrees off of the Earths axis of rotation was in 1450, not 1767.
this is simple math and known by almost everyone with knowledge of even rudimentary celestial navigation techniques.
so I ask you to explain your meaning of 8 degrees NP
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I don't see any reason why magnetic declination would even be noted by Jesuits on a map. They certainly had the knowledge of orienteering to true north no matter where or when they were mapping. If the 8 NP on the carved rock refers to magnetic declination, IMO that alone would be a piece of evidence that would likely rule out the Jesuits.

That said, I'll bow out of this thread because any attention I've given to these carved rocks in the past haven't led me to believe they are Arizona treasure maps. The horse rock does create a nice overlay fit to southern New Mexico, but maybe that's just a coincidence.
 

And here is the reason we should welcome peer review of our postings.
the precession of the equinox’s is about 26,000 year cycle.
If Polaris was 8 degrees off of the Earths axis of rotation 26,000 years ago, then it would be about 8 degrees off of the axis of rotating today, which it is not.
 

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Magnetic declination, :BangHead:
I thought the OP meant actual declination because the topic point was measuring the star with a back staff. I cannot imagine how a measurement of magnetic north could be made with a back staff, still, I must agree that this whole thread is much like a trip down the rabbit hole,
 

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