Thanks Bill. When you said rock monument garden, I thought that some of the monuments might have been created for sentimental or entertainment purposes and not related to treasure.
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Thanks Bill. When you said rock monument garden, I thought that some of the monuments might have been created for sentimental or entertainment purposes and not related to treasure.
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Something I realized about the photo of the King and Horse I never thought of before. When the eyes appear open is when the season for mining begins. The eyes are only open during that part of the year. Try that with your pictures of shadows. That witch head shadow may have eyes open at this time of year. I think the Kings head represents the 'All Seeing Eye of God" who is himself the King of everything. The mouth is of course a doorway or opening to the range. God's range cut by the hand of man.
Does the eye appear in the early spring around the middle of March. Also, if you are looking at the eye straight on, what direction are you looking. Have you ever been able to get up there and see how the eye was setup so that it appears open during certain times of the year.
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The eye in the shadow are both huge and very high up so no I haven't been able to get up there. Usually you line up from about the middle of the range and view the shadow but the shadow symbols in the Catalina's are visible from 30 miles or so away maybe further. The King's head and Horse are both lined up with Pima Canyon and fresh spring water up there year round. To the left of the giant head shadow would take you around the range and up another canyon where there is a royal campsite with a huge rock made bed. That bed is only visible from about ten miles away while following the right trail. All of these shadow types of symbols are timed for viewing from the correct angles. They're still visible year round just not as clear before the beginning of the mining season.
Most profile heads made of shadow don't show an "Eye" but I have seen the Horses before. A lot of the shadows appear as an abstract image not as clear as this one is. Or a stacked group of symbols all in one shadow which require a sharp eye and some knowledge of symbols to know what the sentence says. When viewed with the rest of the symbols in sentence on the mountain range in the Catalina's the string of signs say which way to the royal campsite and water, which way to safe Indian Tribes, which way to the Mining Districts, and the fact all these symbols were created by Free Masons. Symbols like the Grail Cup for good water, Rabbits head with ears for mine entrance locations, Fish for water available at a spring, walker representations for trails, hearts for royalty, Pickaxe for Masons work and Gauntlet clad hand with thumb. Just a few I've documented along the range. Other Animal symbols show different ways for bringing up the caravans of oxen or burros. This was safe havens for both the men of the explorational force and animals. Away from the hostile tribes of Apache. It was a Mountain place full of resources and food through hunting as the deserts weren't bountiful enough to support a large contingent of men on it's own and supply chains weren't reliable back then as agriculture hadn't taken hold in this new world yet. You couldn't mine without resources and men. The mining method used helped construct the huge shadow images as it required a complete surface scrub trenching for quartz veins.
Looks to me like the sun is shining from the left so that would be south. The heart, behind the kings head seems to be on the head of a huge shadow owl with it’s tail pointing north. I think the kings eye could probably be created by building a mound, high enough to catch the sun light. The same for the points on the kings crown. There was probably a big natural shadow and then the details, on the edges of the shadow, could be created by strategically placed mounds of rock. Is the eye looking toward the northeast.
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My house is just south of the range and you're looking north. The sun is to the east in the shot. In advanced free masonry their Trestle Board must be blank to start with. That may explain why the mountain range is devoid of any shadows during the solar noon of the day from that same angle. I noticed that early on. In Arizona or any mountain range for that matter the sun can never be directly overhead. Unless you live at the equator. Since the sun is at an angle during the solar noon of the day at any given time of year how does that explain the absence of shadows? It seem far fetched to think they would carve the mountain range to "Blank Out" the shadows during that period but it's true and plain to see. They possibly used the same method for "Blanking" as for "Trimming" shadows. Either way it seems the range as a whole has been manipulated. Hand of Man or Hand of God? The Masons of the Templar Order thought they had a direct path and communicated with God himself. All Seeing Eye of God.
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One of the sun shadow signs I worked on a few years ago, was only visable on the solstice and only from one particular location.
It seems that in this instance, the creators of the sign wanted to make it very difficult to find, you had to know it was there before you could see it.
It seems that in this instance, the creators of the sign wanted to make it very difficult to find, you had to know it was there before you could see it.
In my post number 25, I asked if the eye looked to the nw but I made a mistake, I meant to say northeast. If you’re taking the picture from the south and looking north, it seems the eye would be looking to the northeast, as well as the whole face. You might want to check the degree that the sun rises to the northeast, on the summer solstice, and see how that compares with the degree that the face and eye are facing. I have an eye shaped hole here that sites to the northeast and you can see the sun come up on the summer solstice. It was set up that way.
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That, for all practical purposes, would be nearly impossible. At the solstice (Latin for "sun stands still"), the sun's daily path moves almost indiscernibly for several days, i.e. the shadows created are exactly the same as the north-south declination very slowly reaches its peak, stops, then very slowly reverses. You'd be better off choosing a date near the equinoxes. http://www.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~luo/EAS488/Table_Declination_of_the_Sun.pdf
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Looks liek they're finding these solstice sites all over the west near petroglyphs. They only appear for one day on the solstice. Some are sun and some shadow. For one day only.
https://www.archaeologysouthwest.org/2013/06/27/summer-solstice-sites-in-southwestern-arizona/
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Well, when you read that article, yes, a number of sites have been found where a close alignment of rocks, notches, lines, etc. can be observed on the summer solstice at sunrise. You can construct one yourself pretty easily. Fairly precise compass readings of sunrise can be observed by most folks with, say, a Brunton pocket transit on a tripod - at least to somewhere within a half or one-degree accuracy.
As you can see below, sunrise azimuth in, say, Tucson, varied by only a few hundredths of one degree in seven days during the summer 2018 solstice period. https://keisan.casio.com/exec/system/1224686065 Same would be the case with the sun angle all day long. I'd say most shadow patterns on rocks or on mountain views are going to look essentially exactly the same on these days and probably many more. Which is a good thing if the shadow sign theory were valid, because then you would have several days to make your observation in case, say, it was cloudy on the solstice. I can recognize the shapes you've pointed out on the Catalinas in the earlier post, but there's no way in hell that those mountains were shaped by man to create those shadow patterns. It's pareidolia. Could they be possible landmarks to look for? Yes, maybe. But manmade? Huh uh.
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Here is another pic of the superstitions, in this pic what forms a bird first forms an angle with wings. sorry for the low quality cell phone pic.
Perhaps someone in the supers area can get some better pics and post them.
Perhaps someone in the supers area can get some better pics and post them.
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It reminds me of a funny story going many years a treasure yarn in my country of Chile. There is town in Chile you better not mention the name Pedro Morales. Many years ago an old parchment was found in chapel in the old book of marriage banns and births death and marriages under the name of Antonio Pedro Morales. That the chapel was once part Jesuit college. It gave an inventory of silver church adornments and a chest of Gold reales coins in two iron boxes buried in the town. The old faded document claimed the vast Jesuit treasure was hidden where the shadow of the church steeple pointed to at a certain time of day. But the bit on parchment telling the time of year was illegible. The document was taken to local respected historian who said the age and paper look genuine?
The document was signed Antonio Pedro Morales who had died many years ago and there was still a descendant in town. Pedro Morales a rather poor fellow who shined shoes for a living from a little portable both he set up in the town plaza everyday. For most of esteemed in town he was considered the village idiot. Harmless but in no way respected, more looked down on.
Of course you could imagine it caused quite a stir among Chileano population as they are just as as passionate for treasure as Amercanos. It was first it was kept secret until news got out. Anyone who knows in Chilean families gossip spread faster than the internet. And the whole town found out one way or another from a friend of a friend or from cousin all promising to keep the information secret, spread like wildfire.
Pedro Morales the shoe shiners business began to boom with many customers deciding to give Pedro Morales the time of day by getting their shoes polished all of a sudden to see if they could discreetly bring anymore information to light about Pedro Morales ancestor? He was asked why did he not search for his ancestors treasure? Pedro Morales shrugged replied he was just a dumb poor simple man too busy shoe shining peoples shoes.
The shadow of bell tower during the course of year passed from side of plaza to the next, the park. front garden of house, the steps of the town hall was dug up. the mayors house etc... Holes throughout the town center over many months holes started appearing from clandestine late night digging. Rumor abounded it was said ever the mayor was secretly involved. Then fights began at night between rival treasure hunters all with theories of where the treasure lay. The town was literally being torn apart by night time digging and claims of damages and counter claims was flung at various parties.
Now one benefited except the dumb simpleton shoe shine boy Pedro Morales who celebrated his new found wealth from all the extra customers at his shoe shine business. In the local canteena on the plaza becoming a little too tipsy in his words after dancing and drinking tequila with the ladies trying to impress. He let it slip it was hoax.
He blurted out that not having much business one day in plaza saw church shadow of the tower over the course of the year moved from place to place. His musing was interrupted by a bird feather and thoughts of his ancestor when he hatched his plan. He believe it was sign he would become rich so he devised the story of his ancestor telling of treasure and the church shadow in which during the course of the year pointed at the houses of the people who looked down in him. He had torn out a page in the old book of marriage banns used water urine and brown shoe polish to created 18th century faded ink. scratched with the quill of a feather on original 18th paper torn from 18th century marriage Bann book that was in the chapel on the plaza.Then placed parchment in a modern folder in which Padre found in recording the next wedding.
Er as any could see the brilliant mastermind of this deception had now left cat out of the bag. Bad move the feather was no an inspiration of him getting rich but him getting himself tared and feathered.? Realizing his mistake made way to the toilets of canteena and slipped away into back alley into the night never to be seen again before a mob got together to lynch him.
Thus the town today shudders at the name Pedro Morales.
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It reminds me of a funny story going many years a treasure yarn in my country of Chile. There is town in Chile you better not mention the name Pedro Morales. Many years ago an old parchment was found in chapel in the old book of marriage banns and births death and marriages under the name of Antonio Pedro Morales. That the chapel was once part Jesuit college. It gave an inventory of silver church adornments and a chest of Gold reales coins in two iron boxes buried in the town. The old faded document claimed the vast Jesuit treasure was hidden where the shadow of the church steeple pointed to at a certain time of day. But the bit on parchment telling the time of year was illegible. The document was taken to local respected historian who said the age and paper look genuine?
The document was signed Antonio Pedro Morales who had died many years ago and there was still a descendant in town. Pedro Morales a rather poor fellow who shined shoes for a living from a little portable both he set up in the town plaza everyday. For most of esteemed in town he was considered the village idiot. Harmless but in no way respected, more looked down on.
Of course you could imagine it caused quite a stir among Chileano population as they are just as as passionate for treasure as Amercanos. It was first it was kept secret until news got out. Anyone who knows in Chilean families gossip spread faster than the internet. And the whole town found out one way or another from a friend of a friend or from cousin all promising to keep the information secret, spread like wildfire.
Pedro Morales the shoe shiners business began to boom with many customers deciding to give Pedro Morales the time of day by getting their shoes polished all of a sudden to see if they could discreetly bring anymore information to light about Pedro Morales ancestor? He was asked why did he not search for his ancestors treasure? Pedro Morales shrugged replied he was just a dumb poor simple man too busy shoe shining peoples shoes.
The shadow of bell tower during the course of year passed from side of plaza to the next, the park. front garden of house, the steps of the town hall was dug up. the mayors house etc... Holes throughout the town center over many months holes started appearing from clandestine late night digging. Rumor abounded it was said ever the mayor was secretly involved. Then fights began at night between rival treasure hunters all with theories of where the treasure lay. The town was literally being torn apart by night time digging and claims of damages and counter claims was flung at various parties.
Now one benefited except the dumb simpleton shoe shine boy Pedro Morales who celebrated his new found wealth from all the extra customers at his shoe shine business. In the local canteena on the plaza becoming a little too tipsy in his words after dancing and drinking tequila with the ladies trying to impress. He let it slip it was hoax.
He blurted out that not having much business one day in plaza saw church shadow of the tower over the course of the year moved from place to place. His musing was interrupted by a bird feather and thoughts of his ancestor when he hatched his plan. He believe it was sign he would become rich so he devised the story of his ancestor telling of treasure and the church shadow in which during the course of the year pointed at the houses of the people who looked down in him. He had torn out a page in the old book of marriage banns used water urine and brown shoe polish to created 18th century faded ink. scratched with the quill of a feather on original 18th paper torn from 18th century marriage Bann book that was in the chapel on the plaza.Then placed parchment in a modern folder in which Padre found in recording the next wedding.
Er as any could see the brilliant mastermind of this deception had now left cat out of the bag. Bad move the feather was no an inspiration of him getting rich but him getting himself tared and feathered.? Realizing his mistake made way to the toilets of canteena and slipped away into back alley into the night never to be seen again before a mob got together to lynch him.
Thus the town today shudders at the name Pedro Morales.
Mal
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Yes you right the shadows I see as symbols in the smaller version near these old mine or treasure sites in these old Spanish Mine districts are visible for close to a month right before the winter solstice. The larger shapes like the kings head and horse are visible year round at different times of the day as the year goes by. They however are still visible and can be made out as being such. Everyone has a right to their opinion on whether or not these are "Pareidolia" a psychological phenomenon of seeing random patterns in mundane objects or a simulacrum a likeness or similarity of an object man made. You and others have every right to your opinion. Some on Tnet think these are indeed man made. The evidence being posted here and on other sites is mounting against random patterns. I posted this theory on shadows many years ago on a prominent Archaeological website. The Archaeologists claimed the find as their own and said that these billboard signs were already being used by their colleagues in the process of historical exploration in mining districts. I found it odd they would say that back then. But never the less it happened from what I presented from the Dragoon Mountain range. A large set of arrows pointing out an animal trail to mines in the range. I've just joined a large group of Treasure Hunters with a very well known Archaeologist in the group. I'll present some of my findings to him and see what he says about the theory.
It's becoming impossible to ignore as being "Random".
I know it seems it would require an undertaking of many men to achieve this on such a grand scale.
But, it's right there for viewing by anyone and with all the hunters photographing these obvious billboard images it's becoming to hard to ignore anymore. We have cellphone cameras to thank for that. And time I guess.
Thanks for your opinion.
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They aren't Jesuit.
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I like your skull.
These weren't your average Jesuits. The order denies they ever existed. They had one purpose only. To find large gold deposits and hide them for the King and Vatican. This was according to research unearthed in Seville archives. I have never seen the research myself. I believe it because I was told about it years before I found what they said would be there at one of these sites. The shadow billboards are only a part of it.
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Yes, but unfortunately I have never been able to track it down. Do you have a copy of it you could share? Thanks in advance,
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Yes, but unfortunately I have never been able to track it down. Do you have a copy of it you could share? Thanks in advance,
Roy is it?
I have a translated copy of the Opata Document at work just can't find the time to scan it. Ill see may be tomorrow. I also have a few maps of this area I received from a researcher years ago while looking for shipwrecks in Seville, Spain Archives of the Indies. I don't think these are available on the website. Professor Lawrence was the mans name. He helped with finding the Atocha. I'll try and get some of those scanned and post them to.
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