Japanese Military Uniform Button?

[Discrimination Dave]

I found this small heavy button at the park yesterday.
Brogan said it could be military.

Any takes?

pre cleaned and cleaned pics included.
The little rascal is a half inch in diameter.
d.

 

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[nhbenz]

Quite possibly. For comparison note the button posted by DCMatt, at the bottom of this thread: http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php?topic=187878.0

 

[Discrimination Dave]

Thank you for that Hampy.
It`s not the same button but interesting still the same.
It`s a sniff in the right direction.
Thanks,
d.

 

[BioProfessor]

Backmarks? Photo of back.

Material?

That will help.

Daryl

 

[Discrimination Dave]

im laughing now dr daryl

no. none. no "back marks" (see pictures, doctor).
d.

see materials listed in first post. (whoops)

 

[BioProfessor]

My picture of the back has what appears to be a yellow sticky on it. It covers part of it and being so dark, I couldn't tell anything.

I still don't see the materials listed. Help me.

Daryl

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

it does look like a Japanese police uniform button.
same symbol used on most of their equipment

 

[Discrimination Dave]

Sorry Daryl!
Yes, that pic is bad. the back is plain. will post a new pick later. that label is my "clip it" trash. sorry about it.
going out dirt fishing now! Same place. wish me luck.
1:30 pm japan time here now. Golden week too. 5 days off! wife and kids gone for today. yipee.
copper / lead I think. Im not a metallurgist or whatever they call them. I dont test metal. not enough experience to say what it is. I think copper / lead?
Also, sorry again! I posted the material on the "todays finds" area. sorry. Forgot to re post.

PIPPIN!
that is so close!
Thank you so much for posting that. It is almost exact from what I can see. Maybe so.....Cop Button!

 

[BioProfessor]

No problem. I just couldn't see anything.

You don't have to be a metal expert to tell the type of metal. You can usually tell by the patina. I am not familiar at all with the types of metal and alloys they use in Japan. To me, it doesn't seem to have any oxidation or patina. A black color here usually indicates silver but this guy is really black and even. If you can find a place on the back by the shaft that you really can't see well, you might try to take a needle and see if the "color" comes off. It might also help to drop the button on a hard surface. If it is lead, it will "thunk" if it is a "hard" metal alloy it will ring. Worth a shot??

It's a neat button and is really different from what we find here. Enameled maybe??

I like it.

Daryl

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-uniforms/japanese-ww1.htm

here that style button is used on an WWI uniform.

 

[Discrimination Dave]

Wow P.P!

 

[Discrimination Dave]

dern Pippin,
that is it without question.
YOU BAD

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

 

[Discrimination Dave]

Wow Wow how you do that Pippin??
solved

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

what did i do?

 

[Discrimination Dave]

THAT IS IT.
How do I check this solved??
Im holding the button in my hand and Im telling you that that is it.
help me check this solved as not to bother any more hanyaks!

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

oh..i was being paranoid..lol
stayed up too late is my excuse...

i have been involved in military collecting for a few years...
i wouldn't worry about the patina...the japanese were masters of artificial patina's...and camoflage...one must look close at any japanese material prior to WWII.

i am unfamiliar on how to mark the thread solved...

someone will show up soon and help.

 

[Discrimination Dave]

lol myself.
that patina thing was some other dude's concern.
dude i will never forget your ......
this thing.
awsome, unbelieveable, honestly
Ive been up too long my self.
d.

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

my pleasure...get some sleep...

 

[BioProfessor]

Well I guess I'm the "Dude" that is concerned with patina. I'll have to dig my heels in on this one. Patina is one of your best indicators of a number of things and if you ignore it you can either miss an ID or get ripped off if you buy or trade something. As one of less than 10 jewelers in the US that make Japanese Mokume gane, I am EXTREMELY familiar with the patination techniques used by the Japanese. They are indeed masters but knowing if the patina on a piece you find is natural or man-made is something you should not ignore if you want to totally understand the piece.

Daryl

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

well then...wanna buy a couple of swords?

beautiful work...are those samples of your skill?