🔎 UNIDENTIFIED Is this a treasure site ? Is this tomb real ?

[9AKA2]

 

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[Tony in SC]

I would say old grave. We see them here near very old home sites.

 

[GoldieLocks]

Yes, and you can possibly look up the name and maybe some bodies names contained within by joining and using findagrave.com Free. It has been a very useful site for me because I am very into genealogy.

 

[crashbandicoot]

Yes, and you can possibly look up the name and maybe some bodies names contained within by joining and using findagrave.com Free. It has been a very useful site for me because I am very into genealogy.

findagrave is a great site!

 

[crashbandicoot]

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Since there appears to be a sizable tree growing in the middle of it,probably not any bodies there.Just me,but I wouldn,t detect in the grave itself out of respect for the dead,but I don,t condemn any one else if they do.Now all around the outside,fair game!

 

[Red-Coat]

Why would you think it's not a "real tomb"? Whether or not any treasure has been buried within it (and the morality or legality of disturbing it) depends very much on where it is, how old it might be and whether burial with 'grave goods' was custom and practice for the culture it relates to. Folks seem to be assuming it's in America. Surely not, unless it relates to an immigrant culture. Looks more like something you would find in Turkey or the Middle-East, with Arabic-type inscriptions.

Where exactly is it?

 

[crashbandicoot]

Why would you think it's not a "real tomb"? Whether or not any treasure has been buried within it (and the morality or legality of disturbing it) depends very much on where it is, how old it might be and whether burial with 'grave goods' was custom and practice for the culture it relates to. Folks seem to be assuming it's in America. Surely not, unless it relates to an immigrant culture. Looks more like something you would find in Turkey or the Middle-East, with Arabic-type inscriptions.

Where exactly is it?

I did make that assumption.bad cess to me!

 

[Gare]

I would also agree with Tony in SC

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Appears to be a Muslim grave. Likely real (hard to judge dimensions from the image you posted).

Muslims are a sensible folk and don't, as I understand it, generally believe you can "take it with you". I would doubt there is treasure of the monetary kind buried there.

 

[ColtsPop]

I agree that it looks like a early to mid nineteenth century stone walled gravesite.

 

[Red-Coat]

I would say old grave. We see them here near very old home sites.

I would also agree with Tony in SC

I agree that it looks like a early to mid nineteenth century stone walled gravesite.

I just checked 9AKA2's posting history. He was previously asking about carved symbols on a gravestone for which he again didn't give a location. It turned out to be in the village of Berashe in the Kurdistan region of Northern Iraq.

Until he gives us more information and close-ups of the inscriptions I'm keeping my powder dry.... but I think this will prove to have considerable age, and be located in an Arabic-speaking country, to the extent that resources like 'findagrave' and comparisons to 'old home sites' in America won't be of any help.

Over to you 9AKA2... please tell us more.

 

[9AKA2]

I just checked 9AKA2's posting history. He was previously asking about carved symbols on a gravestone for which he again didn't give a location. It turned out to be in the village of Berashe in the Kurdistan region of Northern Iraq.

Until he gives us more information and close-ups of the inscriptions I'm keeping my powder dry.... but I think this will prove to have considerable age, and be located in an Arabic-speaking country, to the extent that resources like 'findagrave' and comparisons to 'old home sites' in America won't be of any help.

Over to you 9AKA2... please tell us more.

Sorry i just saw your messages, here are more pictures of the grave, and as you said its a village in the Kurdistan region in northern Iraq, the Cemetery is far from the old village located at a top of a hill, and this grave is amongst many other graves, and this grave is one of the oldest ones in this cemetery, i heard from some people in this village that this grave is (maybe) not a real grave but it contains some sort of treasure, and of course i cant destroy the grave its just morally wrong, so what do you guys thing ?is it possible that this is a treasure site ? Thanks.

 

[Red-Coat]

Thanks. I suspected it would be something of the sort. From a moral standpoint, it's your choice what you are comfortable with, but from a legal standpoint I think it would be wise to confine yourself to researching the history of the cemetery and the graves within and forget any notion of digging for treasure. Iraq has very strict laws concerning antiquities and cultural materials.

A retired British geologist named Jim Fritton and a German tourist were recently arrested at Baghdad airport and have been detained in Iraq since the end of March. They had both been on an organised archaeological tour of the country and have been charged with trafficking antiquities. Mr Fritton had a dozen small sherds of pottery and stone material in his luggage, described by his family as "no bigger than a fingernail and of no archaeological significance or value". Although he was trying to take the items out of the country, it’s also an offence to have removed them from the site where he found them… despite the tour guide having told him it was OK to take them

The British press have hyped up the story with a suggestion that he might face the death penalty but, although that’s pretty unlikely, he could still get a significant prison sentence when his case comes to court.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ion-in-iraq-say-foreign-office-is-not-helping

https://www.artnews.com/art-news/ne...facts-in-iraq-faces-death-penalty-1234627261/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-61541375

This is paraphrased from the ‘Iraq Heritage’ website:

All ‘Antiquities’ (defined as "movable and immovable property which has been built, made, carved, produced, written or painted by man, those age of which is not less than 200 years, as well as human and animal skeletons and plant remains") plus all ‘Heritage Material’ (defined as "movable and immovable property, less than 200 years of age, possessing a historical, national, religious and artistic value") are protected by:

Iraq Law Number 55 and preceding legislation [Antiquities Law No. 59, enacted in 1936, as amended by amendments 120 (1974) and Amendment 164 (1975)]

Such materials are considered the property of the State. Discovering, taking, purchasing or receiving as a gift any antiquity or heritage material that originated in Iraq, without promptly notifying and registering the object with the State Board of Antiquities and Heritage, is a violation of the above law. No one is allowed to excavate, dig for, discover or take any antiquity or heritage material without a written permit from the Iraq State Board of Antiquities and Heritage. Likewise, no one is allowed to remove or transport any antiquity or heritage material from the territory of Iraq without a permit from the same body.

The penalties for violation may include incarceration of up to 10 years in prison and a fine of 100,000 Iraqi Dinars. Illegal excavation (looting) may result in imprisonment for a period of up to 15 years and a fine of two times the value of the damages sustained. Trafficking in antiquities is punishable with a term of imprisonment for a period not to exceed 10 years and a fine of up to 1,000,000 Iraqi Dinars.

U.S. service personnel or contactors are subject to Law Number 55 while on Iraqi soil and the law may also be invoked by a federal prosecutor in the United States in support of a charge under the National Stolen Property Act in the event that antiquities or heritage material of Iraqi origin are transported to the U.S.

 

[9AKA2]

Thanks. I suspected it would be something of the sort. From a moral standpoint, it's your choice what you are comfortable with, but from a legal standpoint I think it would be wise to confine yourself to researching the history of the cemetery and the graves within and forget any notion of digging for treasure. Iraq has very strict laws concerning antiquities and cultural materials.

A retired British geologist named Jim Fritton and a German tourist were recently arrested at Baghdad airport and have been detained in Iraq since the end of March. They had both been on an organised archaeological tour of the country and have been charged with trafficking antiquities. Mr Fritton had a dozen small sherds of pottery and stone material in his luggage, described by his family as "no bigger than a fingernail and of no archaeological significance or value". Although he was trying to take the items out of the country, it’s also an offence to have removed them from the site where he found them… despite the tour guide having told him it was OK to take them

The British press have hyped up the story with a suggestion that he might face the death penalty but, although that’s pretty unlikely, he could still get a significant prison sentence when his case comes to court.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ion-in-iraq-say-foreign-office-is-not-helping

https://www.artnews.com/art-news/ne...facts-in-iraq-faces-death-penalty-1234627261/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-61541375

This is paraphrased from the ‘Iraq Heritage’ website:

All ‘Antiquities’ (defined as "movable and immovable property which has been built, made, carved, produced, written or painted by man, those age of which is not less than 200 years, as well as human and animal skeletons and plant remains") plus all ‘Heritage Material’ (defined as "movable and immovable property, less than 200 years of age, possessing a historical, national, religious and artistic value") are protected by:

Iraq Law Number 55 and preceding legislation [Antiquities Law No. 59, enacted in 1936, as amended by amendments 120 (1974) and Amendment 164 (1975)]

Such materials are considered the property of the State. Discovering, taking, purchasing or receiving as a gift any antiquity or heritage material that originated in Iraq, without promptly notifying and registering the object with the State Board of Antiquities and Heritage, is a violation of the above law. No one is allowed to excavate, dig for, discover or take any antiquity or heritage material without a written permit from the Iraq State Board of Antiquities and Heritage. Likewise, no one is allowed to remove or transport any antiquity or heritage material from the territory of Iraq without a permit from the same body.

The penalties for violation may include incarceration of up to 10 years in prison and a fine of 100,000 Iraqi Dinars. Illegal excavation (looting) may result in imprisonment for a period of up to 15 years and a fine of two times the value of the damages sustained. Trafficking in antiquities is punishable with a term of imprisonment for a period not to exceed 10 years and a fine of up to 1,000,000 Iraqi Dinars.

U.S. service personnel or contactors are subject to Law Number 55 while on Iraqi soil and the law may also be invoked by a federal prosecutor in the United States in support of a charge under the National Stolen Property Act in the event that antiquities or heritage material of Iraqi origin are transported to the U.S.

Thanks for your concern and all the help that you gave me, i will surely not dig the grave and look more into the history of the village and the cemetery.

 

[cannedpoo]

Never a grave robber be...
Or a curse be set upon thee!

 

[crashbandicoot]

Never a grave robber be...
Or a curse be set upon thee!

I,ve read and heard the Kurds were a poor people.If so not likely any treasure there.

 

[Gare]

Another possibility is the Grave stone markers could have been found laying just about the place and someone stacked them there so they could clean the place up[

 

[UnderMiner]

It looks to be written in Farsi.

 

[boojagirl]

Yes, and you can possibly look up the name and maybe some bodies names contained within by joining and using findagrave.com Free. It has been a very useful site for me because I am very into genealogy.

I love using find a grave, have found lots of info on biological ancestors (I'm adopted)

 

[Gare]

Some times i find the burial service in the area and also check the local news papers for deceased info and relations