Ill just leave this heeere.......

[tinpan]

Hi Chadeaux, I see you relate to war crimes from both civil and armed wars which were started on racial , cultural and political indifferences . But all had these indifferences for centuries before one side had gained the upper-hand under a totalitarian leadership . Yet through the history those on the end of the genocide seemed to dish some of their own. Funny how you believe that other countries in Europe used German Control Laws in 1938 nor did these countries try and stop the Nazi take over. Nor does the chart mention the Chinese nationalist and Chinese Reds or the invading Japanese all had millions of weapons. Yet so many of these poor souls had little or nothing to do with guns their whole lives ,nor ever gave it a thought or had a use of one . So i cannot understand what's OBVIOUS ? Funny you cannot take guns from those who never had them. So many were worked to death ,starved and live in conditions that animals would not live in and then the rest were killed off . genocide in a bigger picture than gun control . I see you the use the Term [ Quote "Be The Wrong Shade" ] Little rich coming from your location as far as history goes. I will give you a little grace on the quote for now but don,t push > Get my drift.

You live in a great country and nothing in this chart relates to Gun Issues . Remember nearly all these people who died did not even have basic rights or any of the freedoms. So how in Hell do you compare ? Take to much for granted

A promise is only as good as the paper its written and nothing lasts for ever.

tinpan

 

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[dieselram94]

As much as some wish it did. The second amendment does not have an expiration date.....

 

[Chadeaux]

I see you the use the Term [ Quote "Be The Wrong Shade" ] Little rich coming from your location as far as history goes. I will give you a little grace on the quote for now but don,t push > Get my drift.

You live in a great country and nothing in this chart relates to Gun Issues . Remember nearly all these people who died did not even have basic rights or any of the freedoms. So how in Hell do you compare ? Take to much for granted

A promise is only as good as the paper its written and nothing lasts for ever.

tinpan

I see you are one of those "self righteous Yankees", but you only look at where I live, not who I am. If you want to talk about racism, please remember . . . I am First Nations - Native American. Personally, I don't give a damn what color anyone's skin is. I have brothers of all races, in many countries.

It was the government of the Union (the one that won the war, who claimed it was over race and not state rights) who not only killed my people in droves, but also paid the black man (research "Buffalo Soldiers") to go from slavery and being murdered by you to taking money to kill my people.

Talk about racism? BACK OFF! You have picked the wrong fight.

I do live in a great country. We DO have those rights. They can, however, be taken away by a corrupt government that strays from our (that's right, I said OUR) founding documents. I am a citizen here in these United States, despite some government sphincters who wanted to eradicate my people from the earth. We were lined up and executed just like the Russians were by Stalin, just like the Chinese were by Mao . . . need I go on? Research Wounded Knee sometime. Women and children attacked with ARTILLERY and AUTOMATIC (of that period) weapons. That just shows what has happened and can still happen in this country unless a sea change occurs --- we are headed back down that path but not just for my people, for all people.

 

[Chadeaux]

BTW, more proof of the results of a government that disarms the people being dangerous.

We (in most cases) - in an effort to achieve peace - gave up our firearms. Of course, there were a few hardheaded ones who didn't. What was our reward?

Remember, this took place on American Soil . . .

You don't have to like it, but unfortunately, it is the truth.

This didn't happen in Russia. It didn't happen in Germany. It didn't happen in Turkey. It didn't happen in Cambodia. It didn't happen in China.

Don't say it can't happen in this country, it already has --- and can happen again.

BTW, I love the caption "Burial of the dead at the BATTLE of Wounded Knee, SD" --- Let's see: Artillery, automatic weapons on one side; unarmed senior citizens, women and children on the other side. Must have been one hell of a fire fight for the soldiers.

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

 

[releventchair]

Add sand creek to research list. How parties ended up there,and besides a flag of peace also the American flag meaning nothing,why?
Beliefs among same race differing might have same effect as any shade,but no doubt till 1890 and still beyond it was race.

 

[Chadeaux]

Add sand creek to research list. How parties ended up there,and besides a flag of peace also the American flag meaning nothing,why?
Beliefs among same race differing might have same effect as any shade,but no doubt till 1890 and still beyond it was race.

Yakoke.

 

[releventchair]

Achebachi.

 

[Chadeaux]

Wow, suddenly this topic becomes untouchable -- even for Dano!

Tinpan, I was hoping we could discuss this. The misunderstanding is probably related to the fact that I can't fly the banner of my "nation" because it isn't in the list.

Am I upset about it? No, because U.S. Flag is acceptable as well.

The problem is that an assumption was made that I was a big time redneck, KKK, or otherwise liked the thought of slavery or hated others because of their skin color.

Hope I've put those fears to rest.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

2nd amendment issue has nothing to do with race, it is a guaranteed right in the constitution, it is the most important one in the constitution as the rest are not worth the paper they are written on with out the 2nd.

Anyone who says or implies a member is a redneck or KKK supporter are racist insults as well, attacking a member with those comments will be treated accordingly.

It is best that no one tries to make this a race issue, the result will not be nice.

 

[tinpan]

Wow, suddenly this topic becomes untouchable -- even for Dano!

Tinpan, I was hoping we could discuss this. The misunderstanding is probably related to the fact that I can't fly the banner of my "nation" because it isn't in the list.

Am I upset about it? No, because U.S. Flag is acceptable as well.

The problem is that an assumption was made that I was a big time redneck, KKK, or otherwise liked the thought of slavery or hated others because of their skin color.

Hope I've put those fears to rest.

Hi So were did i say what you are accusing of. Firstly long before any white man ever stood in North America the "Term Bad Blood" never existed. Well it did Conflict betweens first nations did happen. Again you bet up only selective info and some how manage to make a grand cause out of it. Which American President ever had any thing in common with murderous dictators mentioned in the chart . Events of the scale in the chart never happened in time frame of the 20 th century in the USA . Get you facts , figures and dates correct before you go around trying to beat up your self pro-claimed right to preach . One side of the chart a list of murderous war crimes and the side saying it was because of gun control . What a load of B.S . You like to use "Fear" as a weapon this called propaganda Funny those who commited the genocide used the same . "Trust only your gun as no-one in the whole world cannot be trusted " Sad way to live.

tinpan I,m not American i live with gun control , i am armed and the duck season starts in one hour. Just like all the others like me . Being thousands will enjoy the open day. By the way there also laws preventing those who dislike guns all together from engaging in anti gun activities in the rivers and swamps and back waters. This called middle ground something the likes of you wouldn,t even know anything about.

 

[Chadeaux]

I will answer your questions. You bring up questions that deserve answers.

Hi So were did i say what you are accusing of.

It is probably a misunderstanding somewhere, but here is the part of your quote I was responding to:

I see you the use the Term [ Quote "Be The Wrong Shade" ] Little rich coming from your location as far as history goes. I will give you a little grace on the quote for now but don,t push > Get my drift.

Yes I do LIVE in Arkansas, but it is not my place of birth or where I was raised. I do think the reputation it has from the past has been exaggerated somewhat by some who don't live in the south. I was born and raised in southeast Louisiana. I did spend a year or so in Mississippi (did you know that the Choctaw were mostly in Mississippi before the removals which were later called "The Trail of Tears"?) so that I could start school. Why? The Houmas were not allowed in the Louisiana public school system. However, if you could establish your child in another state, they were usually accepted if you didn't tell them the child wasn't white. In fact, my great uncle Dave's birth certificate said he was negro . . . but that's another story.

No, these things did not happen in the 20th century . . . however, the 19th century is still part of the American experience for all peoples who lived in those times. If it happened then, it can happen now.

I am not bitter towards you or anyone else over the past. The people who did those wrongs have long been asleep in death. They harm no one anymore.

The point is that - if it has happened in THIS COUNTRY before - it can happen again.

Be well.

 

[Dano Sverige]

It was a "massacre"....not exactly "Genocide" was it? Nowhere near the OP's list.

There, i've commented. Happy now?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

A WISE chief 0nce said... "Let us put our minds together, to see what FUTURE, we can make for our children." Time to move FORWARD!
I "see" grants from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation to train First Nations children the tech needed to use COMPUTERS; I "see" jobs on the REZS, "factory jobs" to build HIGH TECH computers MADE IN AMERICA; I "see" young Native ppl becoming PROUD once again of their NATIVE heritage; will continue to SUPPORT it.

 

[Chadeaux]

It was a "massacre"....not exactly "Genocide" was it? Nowhere near the OP's list.

There, i've commented. Happy now?

Yes, a massacre . . . soldiers armed with the latest and most deadly weapons of their time against old people, unarmed women, and children.

A WISE chief 0nce said... "Let us put our minds together, to see what FUTURE, we can make for our children." Time to move FORWARD!
I "see" grants from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation to train First Nations children the tech needed to use COMPUTERS; I "see" jobs on the REZS, "factory jobs" to build HIGH TECH computers MADE IN AMERICA; I "see" young Native ppl becoming PROUD once again of their NATIVE heritage; will continue to SUPPORT it.

I agree we must look forward, but we must remember what is behind us in case we end up going back.

If you do not remember the past, you are doomed to see it repeated. The democide took place ON AMERICAN SOIL!

It has happened in THIS COUNTRY before, it can happen again. What more can I say?

Do you think the people in government today are more trustworthy than in 1838? Is Obama more trustworthy than, say, Andrew Jackson? You know, the guy who was at the Battle of New Orleans?

 

[dieselram94]

Chadeaux, I love your new signature! Well said!!!!!!

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Yes, a massacre . . . soldiers armed with the latest and most deadly weapons of their time against old people, unarmed women, and children.



I agree we must look forward, but we must remember what is behind us in case we end up going back.

If you do not remember the past, you are doomed to see it repeated. The democide took place ON AMERICAN SOIL!

It has happened in THIS COUNTRY before, it can happen again. What more can I say?

Do you think the people in government today are more trustworthy than in 1838? Is Obama more trustworthy than, say, Andrew Jackson? You know, the guy who was at the Battle of New Orleans?

YEP!