If I remember correctly,

[bevo]

when they proclaimed Gods death in the sixties(many of those who proclaimed are now teachers prof. and politicos)they ensured
the death of respect.

 

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[0121stockpicker]

Pro gun = pro corporal punishment?


Fear and violence begets fear and violence not respect.

 

[jerseyben]

I agree with most of what has been stated in this thread... believe it or not.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Pro gun = pro corporal punishment?


Fear and violence begets fear and violence not respect.

I'm pro gun and I believe in corporal punishment.

I probably only spanked my 2 kids a combined total of maybe 4 times in their lives, they learned early their were consequences to breaking rules.

Neither one was ever in trouble with the law, both college graduates and successful in their careers, both productive members of society and both believe in working for a living and it is not the governments job to support them....

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[Crispin]

I'm pro gun and I believe in corporal punishment.

I probably only spanked my 2 kids a combined total of maybe 4 times in their lives, they learned early their were consequences to breaking rules.

Neither one was ever in trouble with the law, both college graduates and successful in their careers, both productive members of society and both believe in working for a living and it is not the governments job to support them....

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TH: You don't agree with corporal punishment for children. What you are describing is appropriate discipline. Spanking is not the same as corporal punishment. I know you well enough to know that you do not think it is okay to beat kids with belts, extension cords, tree branches, canes, etc...

Also, most doctors don't agree with spanking but they do not see it as abuse. You would be amazed at the amount of children I see who literally get the crap beaten out of them on a regular basis. I have one pt. whose mother would line them all up as kids on Sunday nights. The father was a truck driver. When he came home on Sundays he would get drunk and give each one of them a beating in front of all the others. Most of the time he would beat them into unconsciousness. This would happen every week wether the kids misbehaved or not.

I could go on...and on... and on... and on...

Spanking at appropriate times in an appropriate manner is okay. Anybody who thinks corporal punishment is okay for children has serious problems.

 

[Crispin]

Wondering what happened ? How about all those alphabetical names they give kids today ADHD Bi polar, ADD, Eating disorders, who comes up with this cr ap? I think more kids are given drugs just so most parents don't want to be bothered with them. Normal behavior as a hyper kid was controlled with the letter D,... A 12 D right in the A$$ and the only 3 D thing was that belt coming at you.

I'm sure kids today are full of Questions and most parents don't take the time to answer them. So there fore put them in that dream state (Cause some Quack say's so) No offense to our local psyc. It's just to wide spread not to question it.

ADD meds are overprescribed. Bipolar is misdiagnosed commonly. Eating disorders are extremely complicated so lets not go there. Sometimes it is easier to treat the parents then treat the kids. This involves giving the kids meds to calm down so the parents can function better. I totally disagree with this and never do it. I know and see other doctors that do this as common practice.

I don't know what 12 D is but I assume you are kidding about hitting a child with a belt. It is never okay to hit a child with a belt...for any reason.

 

[arnofarrell]

I grew up in the late 80's and early 90's and I was spanked and I was never hit with a belt but The threat was always there that it may happen. The most common punishment was washing my mouth out with soap or sitting in the corner staring at the wall. The worst punishment was when my mother told me she was disappointed in me, not made just disappointed.

My father grew up in the country with 7 other siblings and they all got disaplined. They all went to Catholic school and were hit with a ruler. My dad said the worst thing was when my grandpa would tell them to go find there own "switch" for a switchen. They all grew up fine and most joined the military.

 

[Chadeaux]

My dad said the worst thing was when my grandpa would tell them to go find there own "switch" for a switchen.

In my case, it was my mom who sent us to the peach tree to get our own switch - and you better bring back a satisfactory candidate because if you didn't, she went to the peach tree.

She sure knew how to pick a good one.

Dad used to talk first. You hoped it was a long one because that usually meant he thought there was hope that you could change your ways without the beating. Otherwise, that belt always got our attention. Hardheaded kids living amongst coonasses who were just as bad meant we were in trouble on a regular basis.

Me? Never arrested or in any other way in trouble with the law.

 

[Crispin]

It is never okay to beat a child, under any circumstances. Spankings should always been administered when the adult is calm and in control of their emotions. The child should be informed calmly as to why they are getting the spanking.

Sending a kid out to cut their own switch is child abuse. Hitting a child with a switch or a belt is child abuse. I'm glad you guys turned out okay. But just because you turned out okay does not legitamize it.

Free your minds....just because it happened to you does not mean it is okay to happen to future generations of children.

 

[0121stockpicker]

It is never okay to beat a child, under any circumstances. Spankings should always been administered when the adult is calm and in control of their emotions. The child should be informed calmly as to why they are getting the spanking.

Sending a kid out to cut their own switch is child abuse. Hitting a child with a switch or a belt is child abuse. I'm glad you guys turned out okay. But just because you turned out okay does not legitamize it.

Free your minds....just because it happened to you does not mean it is okay to happen to future generations of children.

Thank you. I figured if I quoted all the studies etc etc I would just be accused of being a bleeding heart liberal. Thanks for sticking up for all the kids out there. I have many social workers in my extended family and they see horror stories every day. You want to know what creates a criminal - abuse creates a criminal. It's a very very bad cycle.

 

[CoilyGirl]

It is never okay to beat a child, under any circumstances. Spankings should always been administered when the adult is calm and in control of their emotions. The child should be informed calmly as to why they are getting the spanking.

Sending a kid out to cut their own switch is child abuse. Hitting a child with a switch or a belt is child abuse. I'm glad you guys turned out okay. But just because you turned out okay does not legitamize it.

Free your minds....just because it happened to you does not mean it is okay to happen to future generations of children.

I never thought (and still don't think) I was being abused when mama switched me but it stung enough to know that I didn't want to do whatever I had done again.I think there is a fine line between abuse and normal discipline and I tried to make sure that neither my husband nor myself crossed it.Yes we switched our boys on occasion and even swatted them on the butt several times .Losing control as a parent is the worst feeling and hopefully we never did. One son did get into some trouble in the early college years but it wasn't until we stopped saving his butt that he shaped up.Hardest thing ever for a mama to watch someone spiral like that but we had to let him fall for our own sanity.

 

[Chadeaux]

It is never okay to beat a child, under any circumstances. Spankings should always been administered when the adult is calm and in control of their emotions. The child should be informed calmly as to why they are getting the spanking.

Sending a kid out to cut their own switch is child abuse. Hitting a child with a switch or a belt is child abuse. I'm glad you guys turned out okay. But just because you turned out okay does not legitamize it.

Free your minds....just because it happened to you does not mean it is okay to happen to future generations of children.

No, failing to discipline children when it is needed IS child abuse.

Giving them boundaries and enforcing those boundaries is only reasonable way to teach them.

You CANNOT teach without boundaries. Look at what happened to our prison system when we stopped disciplining children. The result is prison overpopulation. If someone had taken the time to set and enforce boundaries, it wouldn't be near as bad.

Actually would work with illegal immigration as well. Set borders and enforce them. We did the former, and What's his name refuses to do the latter . . . as did GW Bush, Slick Willie Klinton, GHW Bush and Ronald Reagan.

I mean seriously, my people had a lousy immigration policy and look what happened to us!

 

[0121stockpicker]

No, failing to discipline children when it is needed IS child abuse.

Giving them boundaries and enforcing those boundaries is only reasonable way to teach them.

You CANNOT teach without boundaries. Look at what happened to our prison system when we stopped disciplining children. The result is prison overpopulation. If someone had taken the time to set and enforce boundaries, it wouldn't be near as bad.

Actually would work with illegal immigration as well. Set borders and enforce them. We did the former, and What's his name refuses to do the latter . . . as did GW Bush, Slick Willie Klinton, GHW Bush and Ronald Reagan.

I mean seriously, my people had a lousy immigration policy and look what happened to us!

Discipline does not have to be physical and should certainly never be abusive.

 

[Dave44]

I see that you were not around for the woody plant beatings of the last 12 years. But by your posts I can deduce which side of the "disrespect" issue you were on.

 

[bevo]

native f
Wow, you really opened my eye's, I feel like a new man, like a weight has been lifted from my shoulders.

 

[Native Floridian]

native f
Wow, you really opened my eye's, I feel like a new man, like a weight has been lifted from my shoulders.

Bevo, glad i could help you out!

On another thread you posted that hate and racism is coming from the left and that you are sick of it, etc, etc ,etc.

I asked you to prove it, at least come up with a link. Still waiting!

Or, am i just supposed to take your word for it?

BTW, I was and am sincere in that request for info, because honestly, i don't know where it comes from.

 

[bevo]

hell man if you cant see my point without "proof" you never will. The proof is all around you.

 

[Dave44]

hell man if you cant see my point without "proof" you never will. The proof is all around you.

MMMMM. Well some will not see, until they are consumed.

 

[Crispin]

No, failing to discipline children when it is needed IS child abuse.

Giving them boundaries and enforcing those boundaries is only reasonable way to teach them.

You CANNOT teach without boundaries. Look at what happened to our prison system when we stopped disciplining children. The result is prison overpopulation. If someone had taken the time to set and enforce boundaries, it wouldn't be near as bad.

Actually would work with illegal immigration as well. Set borders and enforce them. We did the former, and What's his name refuses to do the latter . . . as did GW Bush, Slick Willie Klinton, GHW Bush and Ronald Reagan.

I mean seriously, my people had a lousy immigration policy and look what happened to us!

I agree. Setting boundaries and enforcing them is extremely important to help raise a child. Not correcting a child's disruptive behaviors can be a form of child abuse via neglect. I'm not talking about a can of soda though... The key thing is appropriate boundaries must be set. I'll tell you right now...if you walk into my office and tell me you spank your child...I got no problems with it. If you walk into my office and tell me you hit your child with a switch or a belt I'm calling child protective services. If I see belt marks, extension cord marks, cigarette burns, scalding water burns, frying pan marks, or caning marks (switching) then you are leaving my office in cuffs and your child will be going to the next of kin that is trust worthy. You can speak all the rhetoric you want...those are the laws.

I have NO respect for people who abuse children. None, zero, amen, end of story. If you are worried about the government taking away your guns...let me see evidence that you are abusing your child and losing your guns will be the least of your concerns. It is up to all of us to protect innocent children who cannot protect themselves. I hope I am making myself clear here. It is NEVER okay to BEAT or ABUSE a child. NEVER!

 

[Dave44]

I agree. Setting boundaries and enforcing them is extremely important to help raise a child. Not correcting a child's disruptive behaviors can be a form of child abuse via neglect. I'm not talking about a can of soda though... The key thing is appropriate boundaries must be set. I'll tell you right now...if you walk into my office and tell me you spank your child...I got no problems with it. If you walk into my office and tell me you hit your child with a switch or a belt I'm calling child protective services. If I see belt marks, extension cord marks, cigarette burns, scalding water burns, frying pan marks, or caning marks (switching) then you are leaving my office in cuffs and your child will be going to the next of kin that is trust worthy. You can speak all the rhetoric you want...those are the laws.

I have NO respect for people who abuse children. None, zero, amen, end of story. If you are worried about the government taking away your guns...let me see evidence that you are abusing your child and losing your guns will be the least of your concerns. It is up to all of us to protect innocent children who cannot protect themselves. I hope I am making myself clear here. It is NEVER okay to BEAT or ABUSE a child. NEVER!

It is nice you have the power Crispin. Glad you are given the authority to exercise it. Can I have power too?