Id on weird Brooch?

[Dave44]

Buckleboy made me clean these, Well I am not through, but was wondering if anyone had seen a brooch thing like this, has a loop on the back like it was a belt buckle, loop is big too, but it doesn't seem strong enough for that. And one button Is a union navy but the other 2 I am not sure of, ,the cannon balls seem to be too large

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

Buckleboy made me clean these, Well I am not through, but was wondering if anyone had seen a brooch thing like this, has a loop on the back like it was a belt buckle, loop is big too, but it doesn't seem strong enough for that. And one button Is a union navy but the other 2 I am not sure of, ,the cannon balls seem to be too large

All 3 US Navy buttons look post CW. A pic of the back (brooch)would help.

 

[CRUSADER]

Buckleboy made me clean these, Well I am not through, but was wondering if anyone had seen a brooch thing like this, has a loop on the back like it was a belt buckle, loop is big too, but it doesn't seem strong enough for that. And one button Is a union navy but the other 2 I am not sure of, ,the cannon balls seem to be too large

All 3 US Navy buttons look post CW. A pic of the back (brooch)would help.

 

[Dave44]

Cleaned some more, you fellas know more about the buttons but the one on the left is being sold on sites as union navy, backmark for you, But that doesn't make it true . The one on the right only says extra quality. So .. what about the brooch thing?

 

[niffler]

Looks like a "Sash buckle" to me, but I'm not an expert. No idea on the buttons. Niffler

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Cleaned some more, you fellas know more about the buttons but the one on the left is being sold on sites as union navy, backmark for you, But that doesn't make it true . The one on the right only says extra quality. So .. what about the brooch thing?

Post the pic of the Union Navy button and Ill show you the difference with the anchor. I have some CW Union buttons but Ill have to search. They are nice old buttons but they appear post CW, all 3.

The brooch thing looks old but I dont know anything else. Does it come to a point? or is it broken at the tip? Or is it attached on both ends? I cant see the bottom end very well in the pic.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Here is an old post of mine. I was told that with a CW Union button, the very tip of the anchor flute will be hidden under the wing. It appears that your anchor flute is not under wing making it post CW. http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,59629.0.html

Maybe someone with Alberts book will verify.

 

[Dave44]

Thanks Big. So then the question is,, timeline , it is so close, the one on the left , then the one on the right is another progression,, I love that stuff. Think it is Phillipine era? pre ww1?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

It appears the same backmark as mine. Your anchor flute does not go behind or in front. Its very close. Someone else will need to verify my determination but I was told the anchor flute/left wing was the determination factor.

If its not CW its probably just after in the Indian War era is my guess.

 

[Dave44]

Sorry Big I also meant to say that I think the brooch thingy had a wreath all the way around, it looks nearly like it is whole, but off some how, if I guessed it was missing Half wreath, I am amazed at how welll it is cleaning up tho. I don't think its heavy enough to be gold, maybe a really good gold leaf?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Sorry Big I also meant to say that I think the brooch thingy had a wreath all the way around, it looks nearly like it is whole, but off some how, if I guessed it was missing Half wreath, I am amazed at how welll it is cleaning up tho. I don't think its heavy enough to be gold, maybe a really good gold leaf?

Yes I think it had a wreath too but I cant tell by the pic if thats a pointed pin back.

 

[Dave44]

Oh I didn't understand, no not a point or pin, it is attached like a loop. Like you would see on a buckle.

 

[KEYSHUNTER]

never seen one ,looks if it could be a page marker??i heard about them before. looks like a snake head w/body

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Ok I see now. Because it appears off center, my guess would be a womans buckle or sash buckle. But just a guess.

 

[Dave44]

What era is that Big, I looks as if it could be as fragile as mine.. you have found some nice things in respectable condition!

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

What era is that Big, I looks as if it could be as fragile as mine.. you have found some nice things in respectable condition!

The buttons are mine but the buckle pic is from the internet. I think its Victorian era.

 

[olroy70]

Have no clue, except maybe a decoration on a bag, maybe......

Love the buttons!

 

[Dave44]

Have no clue, except maybe a decoration on a bag, maybe......

Love the buttons!

Thanx ol roy

 

[kyphote]

I'm straying from the brooch here, but bigcy is right about the anchor point from Union Navy buttons being buried under the wing. Here's a CW I dug (before/after). I would have sworn up and down yours' was CW until I checked that anchor tip. Was never aware of this distinction until bigcy brought it up. Again, I bow to bigcy's eye!

 

[Dano Sverige]

Going from the large ruff (collar) i'd guess it's a depiction of Queen Elizabeth I.

Possibly a military buckle/adornment for a shoulder sash or similar.