i wished i lived in the states like you guys

[gringoo]

i took my new fisher f2 to a park in the states boy their was tons of treasure i did just and hour and found not mutch in the tot lot but on my way out i checked the grassy area and found many good signals, i found 1 nickle 1 quarter and three dimes, i found no pennys, so next time i visit my brother inlaw i will check that park again as i was to tired to keep it up. by the way is it leagal in washington state to bd in these public parks.

your mding cousin from the great white north

gringo

 

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[LuckyLarry]

Gringo I grew up in Washington State, on the Kitsap Peninsula. Washington State is liberal, meaning that "Democratic" liberals want the government to control and own the people, not the opposite where the people control and own the government. You will find law after law, rule after rule, and regulation after regulation in that State. They even tax work tools, and they are VICIOUS in their watch-dogging you if they think you owe them something, including taxes or some other past-due government debt of some kind. They will attach your bank account to get their funds, if they think you have any money in it.

If you want to search for gold you need to register yourself and your detector too. Then there are certain regulations as to what gold you find, how much you can keep, and it has to be registered too. Most parks, sidewalk strips, and beaches in Washington state are no-no's. It wasn't that way 30 years ago, but for the most part it is now. Some parks are open but you still need a written permit. I searched Illahee State Park some 5 years ago but I was on CONSTANT lookout, and so was my good friend who came to search too. Always make sure that you check all ordinances before using a metal detector, Washington State likes to tax, to get revenue, and they view all metal detectorists as yet another way to collect fees or taxes.

Good luck, or, come to Oregon where it's not so Totalitarianistic. The salt beaches are public and free access, and you can easily get a free written pass to search the State and County parks, including those next to the ocean beaches.

LL (AKA EasyMoney)

 

[LukeTHr]

Gringo I grew up in Washington State, on the Kitsap Peninsula. Washington State is liberal, meaning that "Democratic" liberals want the government to control and own the people, not the opposite where the people control and own the government. You will find law after law, rule after rule, and regulation after regulation in that State. They even tax work tools, and they are VICIOUS in their watch-dogging you if they think you owe them something, including taxes or some other past-due government debt of some kind. They will attach your bank account to get their funds, if they think you have any money in it.

If you want to search for gold you need to register yourself and your detector too. Then there are certain regulations as to what gold you find, how much you can keep, and it has to be registered too. Most parks, sidewalk strips, and beaches in Washington state are no-no's. It wasn't that way 30 years ago, but for the most part it is now. Some parks are open but you still need a written permit. I searched Illahee State Park some 5 years ago but I was on CONSTANT lookout, and so was my good friend who came to search too. Always make sure that you check all ordinances before using a metal detector, Washington State likes to tax, to get revenue, and they view all metal detectorists as yet another way to collect fees or taxes.

Good luck, or, come to Oregon where it's not so Totalitarianistic. The salt beaches are public and free access, and you can easily get a free written pass to search the State and County parks, including those next to the ocean beaches.

LL (AKA EasyMoney)

sounds more like communism than "liberal democratic"

 

[LuckyLarry]

Yes it does, and it's because communism, socialism, and Marxism are all three the same - (according to Karl Marx), and Progressivism/liberalism/Communism have all been slowly melted into one identity now. It started all started about the turn of the century but was greatly manifested and exacerbated by FDR, the most famous of Progressives ever to live in America. The left is quite happy now to claim communism/liberalism, and progressivism as their own. They even often brag about it.

Pure Communism (socialism) leaves people starving to death and eating their starving or malnourished offspring, AND older relatives - right after or before they die. I was a soldier in Viet Nam and had several conversations with young Cambodian women who turned to prostitution in order to eat to stay alive, and earlier had to eat their relatives, or be eaten by them. Communism ripped that country apart, bankrupted it, but Viet Nam was spared due to America's involvement/intervention. Thank God.

Now we find that all those on the left side of the isle use whichever word they prefer, but Karl Marx says they are all they same in meaning and practice. Liberalism comes from the Roman Government some 1600 years ago to define non-Christians. I am not confused about any of this either, I read, write, and speak 3+ languages quite well, including German, specifically Bayern, oder auch bekannt als,, Southern German.

I wish a had a machine to look into the future so I could better ready myself for what new horrors will come next from "the other side". Hopefully America can flush the toilet and use better judgment in the future. I'm not holding my breath though.

LL

 

[gringoo]

Gringo I grew up in Washington State, on the Kitsap Peninsula. Washington State is liberal, meaning that "Democratic" liberals want the government to control and own the people, not the opposite where the people control and own the government. You will find law after law, rule after rule, and regulation after regulation in that State. They even tax work tools, and they are VICIOUS in their watch-dogging you if they think you owe them something, including taxes or some other past-due government debt of some kind. They will attach your bank account to get their funds, if they think you have any money in it.

If you want to search for gold you need to register yourself and your detector too. Then there are certain regulations as to what gold you find, how much you can keep, and it has to be registered too. Most parks, sidewalk strips, and beaches in Washington state are no-no's. It wasn't that way 30 years ago, but for the most part it is now. Some parks are open but you still need a written permit. I searched Illahee State Park some 5 years ago but I was on CONSTANT lookout, and so was my good friend who came to search too. Always make sure that you check all ordinances before using a metal detector, Washington State likes to tax, to get revenue, and they view all metal detectorists as yet another way to collect fees or taxes.

Good luck, or, come to Oregon where it's not so Totalitarianistic. The salt beaches are public and free access, and you can easily get a free written pass to search the State and County parks, including those next to the ocean beaches.

LL (AKA EasyMoney)

thanks luckylarry

ill check the cops out, i love oregon

 

[LuckyLarry]

Mai plaisir Gringo, mon ami.

It's a great place to live, and play, and besides that Oregon has more off-roading, mudding, and dirt-biking roads than any other State in the union, Including Alaska. Much of it is open year round and some about 6 months per year.

LL

 

[U.K. Brian]

America lost the war in Vietnam Larry in 1975 which is why its called the Socialist Republic of Vietnam and if you ever go there without a gun you'll find it a great place to visit.

It was a French protectorate for many years until 1949 when it became independant within the French Union. Unfortunately the U.S., as part of its policy to reduce the influency of the old Empires of France, Holland and the U.K. in the Far East, decided to train and finance the followers of Ho Chi Minh which in turn led to the deaths of thousands of young Americans.

 

[LuckyLarry]

OK Brian, those are some rather strange words you say. In fact I was in Viet Nam for 16 months and the Viet Nam Nationalists, the Australian troops, and the Korean soldiers would most assuredly disagree with you when you fail to mention our being there to stop the spread of Communism and to try to stop the tyranny of the very corrupt S. Viet Namese leader Nguyen Van Thieu. There is no reasonable doubt at all as to why we were there - and it had nothing to do with training the enemy, as your statement implies.

Ho Chi Minh was a Communist and it is apparent that your information is grossly incorrect as to your claim. I write this because I immediately saw that your unbelievable statement regarding our mission there - was unjustly incorrect. And communist USSR was funding Ho Chi Minh, not the USA!

"the U.S., ...........as part of it's policy... to reduce...old Impires...of France..Holand...UK...and finance the followers of Ho Chi Minh...

Sorry Brian, but we were there to stop the evil Nguyen Van Thieu and Ho Chi Minh's Communist/progressive influence/aggression in that area. Click below and discover what actually happened - and if you read it perhaps you will see what I lived, in only a small way perhaps - but at least in a more clear perspective.

We Americans, Aussies, s. Viet Namese, and Koreans fought against the Viet Minh and Viet Cong communists, not against "old Empires" of European countries, or old Empire influence (of European countries).

And we didn't "lose" the war, we pulled out due to so much liberal American pressure. It seems that many Americans (liberals) do not wish to help other countries when they are being oppressed, they would prefer that we just stick our heads in the sand with our Ashes sticking up and out of it waiting for the same oppression to hit us too. When I returned from the war those liberals spat upon me, called me baby-raper, and challenged me to fistfights. I had to buy a gun to protect myself and wear it I did, well in sight, and those COWARDS quit bothering me.

There are multitudes of Americans who wish that we wouldn't have bailed out Britain, or France, or Ireland, or Wales, or Norway, or Sweden, or anyone else when Hitler ran over the top of them. There are Americans who say we should have just let them be taken over by Hitler, and then there are those Americans who think we should have let Japan come and get us too, but those people are cowards who prefer to let people like myself cover their liberal Ashes so they can complain about me after I fought for their right to do so.

http://www.answers.com/topic/ho-chi-minh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ho_chi_minh

There are Americans who would wish for us to open both our north and south borders to anyone who wished to come into our country illegally too, but I'm not one of them. Right now we have people coming in illegally from nearly every country in the world, including all countries in Great Britain, and especially Germany. My Jewish and German ancestors came into my country legally, but liberals think we should just let them all come in, and be given citizenship automatically. I am not one of them.

Viet Nam is not a "socialist republic", it is a combination of capitalism, Marxism, republicanism, and democracy, regardless of what it's name says or implies.

LL

 

[U.K. Brian]

Wonder if this will post up or will the topic remain in permanent time out ?

Go on U.S. official sites or read the books by the Presidents that covered the period from when the U.S. started training and supplying weapons to the Vietminh after Pearl Harbour.

Note the fact that at the end of the Second World War the French tried to reinstall Bo Dai, the former Emperor as Chief of State. The U.S. insisted on Ngo Dinh Diem though it was argued that he was not only "incapable but mad". The U.S. got their way but Diem broke his promise to hold elections.
President Eisenhower wrote later that "possibly 80% of the population would have voted for the communist Ho Chi Minh". Doesn't seem to democratic to not let the majority have their way.

Thieu, whom you seem to really dislike, was endorsed by the U.S. Government as "the best available candidate" and was said to have ruled "effectively and without fanfare". The U.S. decided it wanted out and it has been suggested paid him $6,000,000
to sign the peace pact. Might be true or not as he moved to London and bought himself a nice house he called "The White House". Wasn't that many years later he ended up in a flat !

Fast forward to the present day and what has happened. U.S. trains and provides weapons to the "brave freedom fighters" in Afganistan to fight the Soviets. Soviets leave. The freedom fighters are now the enemy. History repeats itself.

 

[liftloop]

sound like Wisconsin the republicans bus ten the unions!!! united we stand divided we fall.

 

[LuckyLarry]

Brian I KNOW you are an intelligent man, but what you say as regards to the past PRIOR to the US realizing that the Communist Regime in Viet Nam had become a threat to the world - does not matter.

What DOES matter is that both Minh and Van Theiu, and the USSR had eventually become Communist enemies of the USA and the world. Look what what Communism did to Cambodia! Have you ever had the occasion to have a "sit down" with people who had to eat their own relatives, their dead grandparents, their own dead babies - in order to stay alive? I think not! But I have. I SAW what Communism did to that country and to Viet Nam too. I could tell you horror stories beyond your wildest dreams concerning what some of those poor people had to endure because of Communism. I can't though, not on here, and it's a bit too graphic for me to talk about anyway.

There is nothing to be confused or ambivalent about it at all. Pure Communism and Democracy have always failed. Look at Greece, first inventing Democracy and it failing, then inventing the Republic and it flourishing. But look at what happened when they tried Marxism! and who bailed them out? Well, I think that any European can answer that one, right? I know you can.

Regardless of what the US or the USSR did 20 years earlier before that war and the discovered threat of Communism, the fact still stands that there are rumors after rumors saying that the US was "beaten", which personally I find offensive and uninformed, at best. The truth is, that by the terms of the Geneva Convention all UN troops were limited to what, how, and where they were to fight that war. The N. Viet Nam Communists and their compatriot guerrilla forces did not obey those limitations at all - and I and fellow American troops were reduced to basically "only firing back" at them. At WILL we could have made a parking lot out of Viet Nam and in only a heartbeat, so the fact still remains, we did NOT lose, we only gave in to liberal pressure at home to quit, run away, and stick our tails between our legs and our heads in the sand - because of cowardly liberals who hated me, my country, and my fellow soldiers with a passion. I was spat upon, insulted, called a baby-raper, baby-killer, and several other names I cannot mention on here. Occasionally I got into a fist fight with some of them, luckily I was big enough to dissuade them from even thinking about wanting to have a go at it with me. I finally had to buy a 38 revolver to protect myself from those liberals, and I let my hair grow while wearing a hat so they did not discover that I had been a soldier.

If you look at the current situation in America you will still see the incomprehensive left living in a world of fantasy and unintelligent bliss. However, they are now finally realizing (after a count of ten?) that Mr Obama is not only a Communist, he is also irrational, dangerous to our economy, a progressive, and uncaring about our country's military defense, save for trying to establishing a "global world" where the government owns the people instead of the people owning the government, and our having a "global police force". Yes, I may be antiestablishmentarianistical, but at least I DO know the facts regarding the discussion at hand, and Communism. You can take THAT one to the bank..

I do agree with you though about history repeating itself, and liftloop makes a good point too. The world seems to dwell more often on the $$$ than on other more important issues such as good will and scruples.

Ciao,

LL

 

[U.K. Brian]

You will never be convinced until you go and see these countries today. No political system is right but people should have the freedom to have the system they want. Not what another country thinks they should have. Britain, I have been told is an "evil socialist country". Socialist because we prefer to have our health "insurance" taken out of our pay each month rather than have a system of looking around for an insurer and having a large percentage of the money lost in salesmans pay, commission and share dividends. Other than that example of socialism there's really nothing else we can be accused of. Move/live where you like, start your own business, say what you like (if its true). Even have a gun. The difference here is if you have a gun it comes with responsibility so you could have the police turn up any time to inspect it. Wo betide if its on the kitchen table or in a bedside draw where little Billy can pick it up and shoot his brother. Even a flare gun is expected to be kept locked away.

The topic in question was if it was allowed to detect in a park. You came back with a politican answer which reminded me of the "Yellow peril" of many year back, then Reds under the bed, now Muslims. Visit any country and all the working man wants to do is keep a roof over his head and feed his family. I first started detecting in the States forty years back and you could detect almost anywhere if you didn't make a mess. But people did and would insist in digging up the local park at the height of the summer and then wondered why after the locals complained about the mess a ban or permit system was brought in.

Most people are nice as pie, especially at the bottom. Wealth and power corrupts so politicians haven't much chance. Mine (the U.K.'s) are as bad as any and still think we have an Empire so if we are not fighting a war they are looking to their future, when they get finally kicked out, so are happy to give the money we don't have without borrowing, to other countries so they can look good and get onto another gravy train job in the Commonmarket or U.N. We don't need to worry to much about Communists, Muslims etc our enemies are our "Rulers".

 

[Frankn]

Brian, I agree with most of what you said with 2 exceptions. Take a close look at your medical system. It is making millionairs out of your doctors and it causes workers to try to get heart to get an extra "vacation".
The other issue is guns. I have raised my 5 kids and they all survived with many guns in the house, not locked up. They all own their own guns now and are excellent shots. Look at the Swiss. They were never invaded, mainly because they all have guns in their houses. One other thing. Doesn't it bother you that your queen is the richest women in the world and has never worked a day in her life?

 

[U.K. Brian]

They think the Queen pays her way as the tourists like to come over in the hope of a glimpse. Just running the State "events" like the Trooping of the Colours would have the same effect

Doctors are in the group like judges, senior civil servants etc that are allowed to opt out of normal life and pay restraint. Our doctors go to the States but rarely (ever ?) does the opposite happen so yours, like nurses must be paid more. The worse we have are dentists who do make a fortune. I've opted out of that by going abroad for better quality work at a fraction of the cost.

You mistake me re guns. Most in the U.S. think we can't have them. We can and do but have strict rules re how they are kept to prevent accidents of which many do happen.