I Still Can Not Believe it...

UnderMiner

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Here's today's epic treasure adventure story:
With these last few days being relatively warm I decided to hit one of my favorite old spots out on the island... I didn't expect to find much - boy was I wrong. I started out detecting the tree line where I left off last month and almost immediately found my first silver - a little .925 broken locket. A few minutes later I found an ancient copper spoon, then a 1941 Washington and a worn-out nickle. I then dug an 1887 Indian! Amazing, can't get much better than this right?

I was about to pack up and head over to another site when I got a really high tone. Dug down and saw something... something eerily familiar... it was a silver shaker cap. Though slightly different in appearance it looked like the style of the 1738 Colonial pepper pot I had found here last month! Could there be more colonial silver trinkets out here, I thought, or even an ancient colonial treasure of epic proportions?! Maybe a forgotten pirate came to Long Island long ago and buried some treasure here! Romantic historical fantasies took hold of me. Bent on finding more treasure I quickly made a rudimentary grid in the dirt and began checking everywhere in it.

I found a clad quarter, some melted lead, a broken clay pipe, a few pieces of extremely rusty iron, and then... a high signal... perhaps another copper spoon or silver coin? Dug down 6 inches very carefully and... time stopped. There was a topless silver pepper shaker. Completely compacted with dirt both inside and out. How?! Why?! This never happens! Holy $#*%! This was too much excitement, this was the other half of the lost shaker that that silver cap goes to!

Back at home I cleaned the dirt out of the inside of the shaker and then I straightened the rim of the silver cap I had found earlier. The two pieces fit together perfectly! This was indeed yet ANOTHER complete colonial-era silver pepper pot! This had to be the mate to the other pepper pot I had found in that area last month, I thought! I quickly took out the original 1738 shaker and compared the two. Although they looked nearly identical on the outside their hallmarks were very different from each other. Maybe they were together when they were lost, but they were not a mated pair.

Edit: I've just been informed by Crusader that this artifact was not made in London as some of my previous sources had indicated. This was made in the city of Exeter, making it a far rarer artifact than my first London-made pepper pot. Since this piece was made in Exeter the date of manufacture must now also be different. It can not be from 1718, as this is the date according to London markings only, according to the Exeter hallmark chart this piece was most likely made in 1703. As for the actual maker, this is still unknown. I will keep you all posted. One thing is for certain this piece, although it is a similar style to the previous shaker I found, is not part of a "set" with it. It is possible the two shakers had the same owner and were lost at the same time but they were definitely not originally used together as they differ in age by 35 years and were made in different cities.

Edit 2: Okay, new revelation! I've been calling these things "pepper pots" but I just discovered they are officially called "Bun Peppers". According to a website on old tableware, "Bun Peppers were only made during the reigns of George I and George II. They appear to have been made singly and not very decorated. They were most likely used during less formal occasions."

I also discovered that the maker is most likely James Whipple. His stamp was "JW&Co" this is the only Exeter maker's mark that has the last letters as "Co" and this matches up with the "Co" on the bottom of the shaker.

Today's finds:
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Putting the cap back on after 200+ years in the ground:
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The holes on this one are nearly twice the size compared to the original one:
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The two shakers (1703 on left 1738 on right) The tops and bases are noticeably different:
This must have been a popular style. These two although similar looking are actually not related,
they were made 35 years apart in two different cities by two different silver smiths:
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The hallmarks of the latest shaker (left) compared to my original (right):
The one on the left from 1703 Exeter while the one on the right is from 1738 London.
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Wow that's fantastic, very nice piece of history right there!, really cool that you found another one in the same area as the first
 

Maybe the silver has been in the heat from what ever melted the lead (?) lump,or maybe that is burnt silver too?
 

His silver locket looks the same. Probably just the soil in that area.

This is a coastal site, so the ground is very high in salt. Every piece of silver I pulled out was the same color "grayish black" when I took it out. Here are the other two silver items after I applied the same cleaning techniques to them as the shaker pieces:
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A few squirts of vinegar is all that's needed to remove the excessive tarnish, but I don't leave the vinegar on long enough to harm them or make them "perfectly" shiny. I'd rather have a light dark patina than a full luster, gives the pieces more character.
 

Maybe the silver has been in the heat from what ever melted the lead (?) lump,or maybe that is burnt silver too?

Something definitely burned here long ago, but I don't think the silver was in the fire. I think it was just the salinity of the soil that tarnished the silver. It also ate through the more reactive copper spoon something awful.
 

Just showed my girl... who is now sick on couch...
She said "ask him why isn't he camping out".
heh

Tell her, "don't worry, as long as the nice weather holds up I'll be on this site until there isn't even the slightest signal left within a 100 meter radius of this last find lol :D Anyway I'm heading back out, wish me luck!
 

Awesome find and unbelievable to have found the matching shaker. Not to take anything away from your amazing find but I wouldn't be surprised if these were not lost early 1900's by someone having a picnic or they could have fallen out of whatever they were in on the way to a picnic site. I say this in part because of the lack of other period relics found and also the depth and condition of these two items. I have seen similar relics that have spent a couple hundred years in the ground become dented and crush from the weight of soil being compacted on top of them.
 

WOW - I nearly missed this - amazing. But I think your wrong, in a good way!
It looks to be an EXETER hallmark - This assay mark is much rarer than the London marks & you need specialist help, because you have a Makermarks that needs IDing - dot over C & dot over ? This maker could push it over the edge, this one is already looking to be worth twice the other one.
Maybe join the forum I linked to below:
http://www.h.cx/

On this site it shows your marks (upsidedown Britannia(rubbed out head), no castle, but the Lion head):
Exeter Marks silver hallmark. Hallmarks www.h.cx.
It also shows the Date letter:
Exeter Date letters silver hallmark. Hallmarks www.h.cx.

So you got a rare Exeter 1703 or 1707?
 

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Awesome find and unbelievable to have found the matching shaker. Not to take anything away from your amazing find but I wouldn't be surprised if these were not lost early 1900's by someone having a picnic or they could have fallen out of whatever they were in on the way to a picnic site. I say this in part because of the lack of other period relics found and also the depth and condition of these two items. I have seen similar relics that have spent a couple hundred years in the ground become dented and crush from the weight of soil being compacted on top of them.

Yes! This makes sense! Long Island's "Gold Coast" was home to many wealthy estates in the mid-19th century to early 20th century! The Vanderbilts, Roosevelts, J. P. Morgan, Woolworth's, they all lived there. This must have been lost by one of them or a well to do family like them anywhere between the mid 1800's to mid 1900's!
 

That is why I love this hobby! Amazing!
 

WOW - I nearly missed this - amazing. But I think your wrong, in a good way!
It looks to be an EXETER hallmark - This assay mark is much rarer than the London marks & you need specialist help, because you have a Makermarks that needs IDing - dot over C & dot over ? This maker could push it over the edge, this one is already looking to be worth twice the other one.
Maybe join the forum I linked to below:
Silver Hallmarks [url]www.H.cx Hallmarks encyclopedia. More then 15,000 silver hallmarks from all over the world. New hallmarks added every day.(copyright 2015)[/url]

On this site it shows your marks (upsidedown Britannia(rubbed out head), no castle, but the Lion head):
Exeter Marks silver hallmark. Hallmarks www.h.cx.
It also shows the Date letter:
Exeter Date letters silver hallmark. Hallmarks www.h.cx.

So you got a rare Exeter 1703 or 1707?

Wow! Thanks for all your help Crusader! This means whoever sold that piece they claimed to be "made in London" may have made a big mistake since it had an Exeter mark on it.
Great to know, I was unable to find any examples of this "Exeter" mark before your linked me the page identifying it. I'll try to get some help from that forum you linked too. Maybe this will turn out to be something extra special.
 

Seriously nice finds! Congrats!

BANNER VOTE! One is rare... two is extraordinary!
 

AMAZING! How cool it would be to season dinner with the same shaker that was being used almost 300 years ago.
 

Wow! Thanks for all your help Crusader! This means whoever sold that piece they claimed to be "made in London" may have made a big mistake since it had an Exeter mark on it.
Great to know, I was unable to find any examples of this "Exeter" mark before your linked me the page identifying it. I'll try to get some help from that forum you linked too. Maybe this will turn out to be something extra special.

I'm sure with the right specialist silver help, it will turn out great.
 

AMAZING! How cool it would be to season dinner with the same shaker that was being used almost 300 years ago.

I think I'll actually do that. It's too bad the 1738 one doesn't open or I would use them both :D
 

Looks like for two of us, silver Banner finds come in pairs. 8-)


BIG Congratulations on TWO fantastic finds,


Buck
 

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