I recovered these from an old house site back in March ..

[creskol]

.. I am pretty sure they are tub legs, and it has been suggested that they are from a National tub. However, in doing a quick search, I can't seem to find any substantiating information. Anybody know how old they really are? Thanks!

 

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[fyrffytr1]

Could they be the front parts of a pair of andirons? they held the logs in a fireplace.

 

[oldsledz]

Could they be the front parts of a pair of andirons? they held the logs in a fireplace.

That is what first came to mind for me, but it seems like the backs would be the same for andirons and that the birds would not both face the same way unless it was straight on.

 

[creskol]

Hmm.. I will check into the andiron theory ... Thanks!

 

[Mr Tuff]

they look to be decorations for a wrought iron fence.. i have found two similar eagles.. these are marked ( the valley forge fences Knoxville Tennessee ) MR TUFF

 

[History Detective]

What does the house date from and are they associated with the house?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

they look to be decorations for a wrought iron fence.. i have found two similar eagles.. these are marked ( the valley forge fences Knoxville Tennessee ) MR TUFF

I think MR TUFF got it.

 

[History Detective]

Oh....sorry didn't see where is was checked with a solved....thought we were still up for ideas....

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Oh....sorry didn't see where is was checked with a solved....thought we were still up for ideas....

Its not officially solved. It is still up for ideas. I posted only my opinion..

HD, even if green check is posted, you can agree or disagree anytime. I hope this helps

 

[History Detective]

Sorry Bigcypress, I thought you were saying everyone had come to that concusion and I missed it...
The point I was making about dating the area or location a particular item is found obviously helps date and explain the item, by your comment about more info. needed you concure with this...
By just saying an "Old House" doesn't help that much, "old" is just a relative term...
A 1940's house for instance to some people is considered old and to others relatively not so old...
If the house dates from the 1830's the eagles could represent popular Federal Period designs...
Of course the Eagle motiff is still used up to today but it gives us the possibility that if the house were from the 1830's that would help identify the artifacts used in that period...if not from that period we would then look at styles and designs of used in artifacts from the true era of the house...

 

[creskol]

Sorry Bigcypress, I thought you were saying everyone had come to that concusion and I missed it...
The point I was making about dating the area or location a particular item is found obviously helps date and explain the item, by your comment about more info. needed you concure with this...
By just saying an "Old House" doesn't help that much, "old" is just a relative term...
A 1940's house for instance to some people is considered old and to others relatively not so old...
If the house dates from the 1830's the eagles could represent popular Federal Period designs...
Of course the Eagle motiff is still used up to today but it gives us the possibility that if the house were from the 1830's that would help identify the artifacts used in that period...if not from that period we would then look at styles and designs of used in artifacts from the true era of the house...

In this case, the age of the house is irrelevant .. It doesn't matter if I dug them in a circa 1700's house or an circa 2010 house. In fact, even saying they were dug at an old house site is more information than I needed to give, except it provides a point of reference. So what if they were found in a 1700's era house site?? .. they obviously aren't of that era and therefore contradicts your reasoning that," if not from that period we would then look at styles and designs of used in artifacts from the true era of the house" The same holds true for a circa 2010 house .. Obviously they are older than that . If it was a 1940's house as you threw out, and the eagles actually date to the 1830's, of what significance would it be to say they came from a 1940's house site?? NONE!

 

[History Detective]

Just trying to gather information to help date them is all...
In your heading you use the word "recovered" in your later wording you use the word "dug"...
Were they in fact dug?
You say "except for a point of reference" as if it were not important...
Its called historical context....
You want to know how old they are...well??

 

[creskol]

Just trying to gather information to help date them is all...
In your heading you use the word "recovered" in your later wording you use the word "dug"...
Were they in fact dug?
You say "except for a point of reference" as if it were not important...
Its called historical context....
You want to know how old they are...well??

Whether they were dug, recovered, salvaged, found, excavated or otherwise .. again is irrelevant. That has no bearing whatsoever on their age. And no, a point of reference really isn't all that important either. If they were of commercial use and they were found in a residential setting, that doesn't change the fact that they were of commercial use. If they were of residential use, and were found in a commercial setting, that doesn't change the fact that they were of residential use. If they were found in the smack dab in the middle of a Civil War camp, doesn't mean that they were from the Civil War, or related to the Civil War or had anything to do with the Civil war. So, while a point of reference may be interesting, it really isn't all that important in this case, nor is your harping on historical context!

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

is it a full moon out this week? There appears to be more disagreements, arguments and misunderstandings than usual.

I am still thinking fence and found plenty of wrought iron fence eagles but I cant find an eagle with the ball underneath. http://marketplace.veer.com/images/1667514_Portion-of-a-wrought-iron-fence

 

[DigginThePast]

is it a full moon out this week? There appears to be more disagreements, arguments and misunderstandings than usual.

No there isn't.

















Found a new idea though. Snow Eagle (Google it or "cast iron snow bird). Used as roof decoration.

http://www.prices4antiques.com/arch...ow-Bird-18-Eagle-Cast-Iron-5-inch-B196120.htm

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

is it a full moon out this week? There appears to be more disagreements, arguments and misunderstandings than usual.

No there isn't.

...no wonder I am not feeling any different.



I notice the backs have 2 different mountings. I wonder whats the reason for that? That bird you found has a very similar mount to the second eagle pic. You may be on to something digging. Can I change my mind?

 

[DigginThePast]

is it a full moon out this week? There appears to be more disagreements, arguments and misunderstandings than usual.

No there isn't.

...no wonder I am not feeling any different.






I notice the backs have 2 different mountings. I wonder whats the reason for that?

Don't know if there is a full moon or not, I was trying to be argumentative.

The snow birds I've looked at all seem to have the mount on the bottom, unlike the OP's item which has the mount in the center, so I'm not positive. Is a possibility.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

The pics posted are confusing (to me). I think there may be at least 3 or 4 birds. Look at the mount on the last pic (eagle2). The 2nd pic (eagle1) is a different bird. Is it my imagination? Maybe just a different angle but the bottom bird looks to be missing the ball. Im having trouble visualizing.

How many birds do you have creskol?

 

[KRAZYHORSES]

end irons hold logs in fire place?

 

[DigginThePast]

The pics posted are confusing. I think there may be at least 3 or 4 birds. Look at the mount on the last pic. The 2nd pic is a different bird.

How many birds do you have creskol?

It is a little confusing. Also, I wonder what the dimensions are?