I.D.of Gold Coin=HELP

[Peg Leg]

Morning everyone.
I need some help in I.Ding this coin.
For a good photo of this coin go to Treasure Hunting/Spanish Cobs/ Re: Gold escudo.
The photo was posted by the "old man" on Dec, 30,2006.
You can enlarge this photo to the point that the letters on the left of the shield are clear. These letter appear at first glance to be S, I, B or H. But if you will look closer you can see that the bottom letter has been stamped over with a P.
The top of this letter does not match the shape of the rest of the letter. If you look closer you can see that the middle part is curved and that the bottom right does not match the rest of the letter.
What brought this to may attention was I had come across at article that discussed assayers overstamping their mark at a few mints.
It would seem that this was done very seldom but did happen never the less.
According to what I have been able to find out this coin was minted during the reign of Philip III but this would mean that this coin was minted in about 1620's until the 1650's.
I am not an expert and do not claim to be so I really need some help here.
This I Gold Escudo was donated to the EXPO to be sold with 100% of the monies collected going to the DOWN SYNDROME Organisation.
There will be many people at this EXPO that have no idea what an ACTUAL Gold coin LOOKS LIKE so if I were able to show in poster form all the information I can find it will prevent a lot of questions and enhance the Marketability of this coin.
I hate to keep asking but someone on this forum can provide the answers I need.
Thanks
Peg Leg

 

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[stevemc]

Peg Leg, I couldnt find it with your directions, but did find it under Gold II Escudos, and the date, and old mans post. It looks like S, I, and who knows? I cant really see what it says. I didnt see what he posted, maybe he knows where it came from. That is about all you can do. Trez, can you figure it out? On another note, with the post that you started - Gold II Escudos, what ever happened to the 2 coins you sent away? I would never have sent 2 gold coins away like that. Did you get any info back or the coins? Steve.

 

[Peg Leg]

No, after they go them they never responded and never said a word.
I even sent them 4 registered letters so I know they got them.
Spain at it's finest.
It will never happen again.
About the Gold coin tht the Old Man sent me.
He told me that it was recovered from the beach along with the 2 emeralds.
He is coming to the EXPO. MAYBE he will tell me the location where they were recovered .
Steve, did you notice what I said about the bottom letter being stamped over by a P?
You will have to enlarge the photo to really make it out.
TREZ could tell if he will.
Peg Leg

 

[Peg Leg]

I was hoping to save a trip down to the FISHER place next tues or wen.
But I will find out no matter what it might take.
Peg Leg

 

[rgecy]

PegLeg,

Phillip III reined from 1598 to 1621! What makes this coin different is the Jeruselem Cross. Do some comparisons and you will see what I mean.

Is it possible that the S stands for Santa Fe? They would have been producing coins like this during that period.

Did you post this over in the cob section? Trez may be more likely to see it there!

 

[Peg Leg]

Robert,
I will send TREZ a message but I feel that he already seen the posting but will try anyway.
How is the boat coming along?
Don

 

[Peg Leg]

For those keeping track on the Gold Coin.
The only thing I have found out is that it could have been minted between 1556 and 1598 ?
BUT I believe it was minted no later than 1621 by Philip III using the same dies as Philp II used.
More later
Peg Leg

 

[Trez]

WHHHHAAAAATTTTTT !!!!
Can't anybody recover from a nite of boozing.....

Plain cross w/ no ornaments... so this is just a guess....
Seville - Felipe II Assayer C over H Just a guess.............
I'm no good at this stuff, your guess's are as good as mine.

Best of Luck,

Trez

 

[Donovan]

Peg,
From the shape of the S and the other letters as well, I venture a guess that it may not be a legit coin. Just a possibility.....Without a closer look and a purity check, that is just a big ? at this time. The coin should be close to 23 and a half K. if not, well.....
In your other posts on this coin you and the other guys discussed the Atocha coins. The ones that we found that had mint marks were S for Seville. Others were dated 1622. People that know more than I do suggest that these dated coins were made in Santa Fe DE Bogota by Alonzo Turillo DE Yerba. We did find silver coins that were dated and had the mint mark NR which stands for Nueva Rieno DE Granada. That is the inner harbor of Bogota, Columbia. De Yerba survived the trip to Spain and lamented the loss of his sample collection on the sunken ships in a letter to his boss. Our best guess was that we had found part of his lost samples.
Splash,
Donovan

 

[Peg Leg]

Gentleman,
Thanks for the information.
Trez, I now see the possible C over and H (?)
I will have the coin assayed this coming week.
This is NOT one of my coins THANK GOODNESS
This coin will be on display for those that want to get a closer look BUT regardless it will be RAFFLED OFF.
I FIND IT STRANGE THAT ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT COMES MY WAY IS ASSOCIATE WITH CONTROVERSY-IT SURE MAKE LIFE A LITTLE MORE EXCITING.
Thanks Again
Peg Leg

 

[old man]

Peg,
Just for clarification . If that isn't at least a 23K gold coin. I'll donate $500 to the charity. That's how confident I am that it is real.

 

[Peg Leg]

Old man,
That is great. Like you I am very confident that this coin is real.
I would also like to suggest that someone send this photo to SEDWICK and see what he has to say.
It apperas that there is a slight problem between Sedwick and myself. I have sent him 5 emails and he has not responded to a single one-as yet?
This should not be a problem since he said that the coins I had recovered were counterfiet of course no one knows WHEN they were made or where.
Thanks again for any and all help.
Peg Leg

 

[Rustys Mate]

Peg, I think Maxjda found it for you....look at this

http://www.rsoperations.com/Treasure/Coins/Coins.htm

 

[rgecy]

Peg,

Where are the pictures of the coin?

I had a very close look at the coin last week, and Jason and I were able to positively attribute the shield to Phillip III.

But, as Donovan suggest, the coin needs to be checked.

 

[Peg Leg]

Robert,
Go to Treasure Hunting/Spainish Cobs/RE: Gold Escudo's
Old man posted a perfect photo on Dec 30.
This is the same coin.
Don