Hypothetical scenario

[Roadquest]

If someone had a cache, they researched and beleaved they knew
where it was located. Yet could'en get the property owner to consent
to a search. If someone were to do a night search, and if a find were
made. And, the property owner were sent anonymously 50% of the find.
I wonder if anyone would be interested in working on such a night project.
Of course this is a hypothetical scenario.

Roadquest

 

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[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HI my friend, it would never work. The 50% could always be traced and you could never prove that this was truly 1/2. Besides, it would be self evident that you did not have permission by the simple act of sending some of the recovery by mail/courier.

This could open up a can of worms, depending upon how much was "supposedly:" recovered, ranging from a simple trespass to a series of felony charges.

Incidenally, if there is more than one person involved, the story eventually gets out.

My advice is to forget this approach.

Tropical Tramp

 

[mercinarie]

i would just keep asking him, keep naggin away and he might eventually let you look on his property.

"hypothetically" did this person say why they didnt let you on their property.

 

[mercinarie]

well duh state the obvious...

 

[jeff of pa]

I know your posting this, just to find out who would say what .

but answer this Queston.

hypothetically, if you were to go into a church, take the Donations home, Split it in half, and give the church half,

Would you :

#1. Feel good about yourself ?

#2. Feel you did the Church a Favor ?

#3. Feel Confused, if you got caught, and the church said,
arrest him and make him pay us back, because
there had to be 10 times the amount there that you sent them ?

Now you would be in trouble with no way to prove how much you realy
got. and for the victim, the sky's the limit on what they can "Recover"
from you. only limited by their Imigination.

Sorry, but hypothetically speaking, a hypothetical thief
is still a hypothetical thief.

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Another Scenero :

The story of a cache was passed down, through the family.
$1000,00 was buried in 1775.

Every Generation Embelishes the tale.
The family now believes there is 10,000,000.00 Buried on their Property.
because their Great, Great, Great Grandfather said so, and it was passed down that this is true.

the person sneaks on the property, recovers the $1,000.00.
they lay $500.00 where they found it.

The property owner sees it & says, Where is the other
$9,999,500.00 ?

If caught, can they prove there was only $1000.00 there ?

only if they have a TV Crew following them, and even then,
they could have been there earlier & replaced it with the thousand.

The fact the person Snuck on Prooves he/she can't be trusted.

so they need to Repay the $10,000,000.00 plus intrest, before
X amount of time or their Parole from jail will be revoked.

 

[ericwt]

This is a interesting scenario.

Lets say you are on BLM land using your detector. You Hypothetically find a Wells Fargo strongbox.

If you recover it you are committing a crime. It is Wells Fargo property.It is subject to confiscation and you will likely spend thousands of dollars in Court and loose all of you equipment.

If you find a few gold coins in the same area you are violating antiquities laws as well as not getting the right permit for treasure hunting.(these permits are almost impossible to get.)

In eight states if you find something on your own property that is valuable you are violating the law if you do not turn it in to the proper authorities.

Anything older than 50 years is in violation of antiquities laws regardless on where you find it.

All of these things you are subject to arrest and huge fines.

So rather than dwell on a Hypothetical question that turns this into a legal issue. I think you have to find you own code of ethics. What can you live with and what are the consequences to your actions.

I always believe in the do unto others thing.

It is hard doing the right thing. If it were my land and I see someone tresspassing I will shoot them and then ask questions.

Has this been done before: You bet it has and people have gotten away with it before.

Do I know anyone that has done this and would do this? Yes I do know such people.

Do I judge them? It is not my place. The cache would have stayed in the ground forever and helped no one. As it happenend 2 treasure hunters got rich and a land owner that was unaware of the cache on his property opened his door to find a fourtune on his front porch. No trace of digging or recovery on his land.

The question was Hypothetical. So is my answer.

I could go on but maybe some of you get the point.

TN is about exchanging ideas. It is easy to see things as black and white. They are not always so.

Is it wrong to tresspass? You bet it is. I like to get permission.

ericwt

 

[Roadquest]

Realde, my friend, thank you for your advice and thoughts. You are one of the
few people I would lission to.

Jeff, you are right, a thief is a thief.
But, sometimes theres not a right way, or a wrong way.
Sometimes theres only one way.
In this hypothetical case, Thses fokes could use the money, if a find was made.
It would be a major help to them.
That would bring the question, would it be right in any way to do wrong,to help
someone who appears to not understand how much they can gane. and the help
it would be to them.

Roadquest

 

[jeff of pa]

Realde, my friend, thank you for your advice and thoughts. You are one of the
few people I would lission to.

Jeff, you are right, a thief is a thief.
But, sometimes theres not a right way, or a wrong way.
Sometimes theres only one way.
In this hypothetical case, Thses fokes could use the money, if a find was made.
It would be a major help to them.
That would bring the question, would it be right in any way to do wrong,to help
someone who appears to not understand how much they can gane. and the help
it would be to them.

Roadquest

In my opinion, it comes down to Concience & nerve.

at this point in My life there is nobody I would risk jail for.

 

[TreasureTales]

Hypotheticals seldom are.

Sometimes I break the law (I sometimes drive over the speed limit, sometimes I don't wear my seatbelt, sometimes I drive through a state park and don't pay the entrance fee), but for the most part I obey and respect the laws. When it comes to private property, I always obey the law and the rights of the property owner...the guy/gal who pays the taxes on that land. So if the hypothetical (wink, wink) family is really in such dire financial straits, I can't imagine why they wouldn't grant permission -- especially if they would be getting a chunk of the loot. There must be something more to this story? I agree that unrecovered loot is lost and forgotten loot, but I don't agree with the loot-at-any-price theory. Sometimes we just have to walk away. My 2 cents, take em or leave em.

 

[stoney56]

There are always possibilities. You can put the project on the back burner, sit back, do other projects, and wait to see if they change their mind, or the land changes hands, or you can attempt to acquire it for the taxes. JMO

 

[Roadquest]

Treasure Tails,

I'm sure if what we were talking about here was real, That there would be more
to the story, as you say. But the basis's of it would remain the same. I welcome your
coments, if you agree, or disgree.

Stony56,

I'm thinking some of the things you talk about would have been checked out. And the Tax
thing maybe would work. But, I would not do that to the property owner. Fokes can thank
what they want, But, if I were doing this for real. I would want the property owner to come
out ahead of where he was.

 

[spyguy]

Roadquest,
You think like I do. Unfortunately, I'm not in a situation where I have a cache to go after like the "hypothetical" one you mention. I've asked myself the question (minus the sending of 50% to the property owner) many times though. By now you've heard about the guy on this site in VA who has spent years researching a Confederate treasure complete w/ positive readings by professionals etc only to have the city balk at allowing a recovery. How many of us here REALLY know how we'd react if a life-changing fortune on private property were just waiting for an enterprising person like us to unearth it
If I were in your shoes, I'd print up some business cards and offer solid proof to the property owner in question (without of course revealing the exact location of the treasure). Schmooze, cajole, charm etc etc.... I don't know about you, but when there's something I really want in life I have a way of really being able to persuade people. It sounds to me like you've done your research and the hardest part for you is already over. If this is for real, pull out ALL the stops and then we'll all be reading about your find here complete with living color pics! Remember, Joe Kennedy built a mega million dollar fortune and a political family dynasty running illegal scotch during prohibition. Nobody even thinks of that now. Sometimes it's not HOW but HOW MANY. If you haven't already, I recommend reading Machiavelli's 'The Prince'.*** Are you still looking for a 2-box detector? ***
HH
-spyguy

 

[TreasureTales]

!

Remember, Joe Kennedy built a mega million dollar fortune and a political family dynasty running illegal scotch during prohibition. Nobody even thinks of that now. Sometimes it's not HOW but HOW MANY. If you haven't already, I recommend reading Machiavelli's 'The Prince'.
-spyguy

Geez, I must be the only guy in America who still finds the actions (both past and present) of the Kennedy clan to be inexcusable. So your philosophy is power and profit at any price? God help us!

As an aside: I believe Joe Kennedy ran Irish whiskey, not scotch. He was Irish, afterall!

 

[Mainedigger]

Re: !

Remember, Joe Kennedy built a mega million dollar fortune and a political family dynasty running illegal scotch during prohibition. Nobody even thinks of that now. Sometimes it's not HOW but HOW MANY. If you haven't already, I recommend reading Machiavelli's 'The Prince'.
-spyguy

Geez, I must be the only guy in America who still finds the actions (both past and present) of the Kennedy clan to be inexcusable. So your philosophy is power and profit at any price? God help us!

As an aside: I believe Joe Kennedy ran Irish whiskey, not scotch. He was Irish, afterall!

Treasure...no you are not...I am with you there 100%, am from Mass. and it sickens me how the Kennedy's are still idolized there. And it was Scotch he ran..he got exclusive rights for its importation into the U.S. and if I am not mistaken the clan still gets a percentage of every bottle imported here now. What gets me the most is Ted being on the Senate Ethic committee (Whats he know about Ethics??),,,the liberal way..hypocrisy.

Road...to answer your question...hypothetical questions that lead to actions get you in REAL trouble.....get permission then there are no questions or worrying about potential consequences.

 

[Roadquest]

TreasureTails, I made a reply to your post, but I guess it got "Lost"
Spyguy was trying to tell me to go about this in an honest way.
But, I guess none of us can live up to your hi standards.

Roadquest

By the way, how did you know Kennedy buried this treasure?

Roadquest

 

[TreasureTales]

TreasureTails, I made a reply to your post, but I guess it got "Lost"
Spyguy was trying to tell me to go about this in an honest way.
But, I guess none of us can live up to your hi standards.

Roadquest

By the way, how did you know Kennedy buried this treasure?

Roadquest


Yes, I have high standards. Shouldn't everyone? I don't like liars, cheats, sneaks, etc. You do what you gotta do, I'll do things my way. But if you didn't want input of all types, why did you post? That's all I'm going to say to you about it.

Mainedigger, thanks for the comments. And thanks for the correction about what Kennedy ran. I appreciate your entire post.

 

[Roadquest]

now this guy is touch e .. I love people who like to dish it out...But can't take it.

Yep, all comments are welcome, far as I know this is a free country, I'm going to respond.
I'm real sry if you don't like that.

Roadquest

 

[stoney56]

Stony56,
I'm thinking some of the things you talk about would have been checked out. And the Tax
thing maybe would work. But, I would not do that to the property owner. Fokes can thank
what they want, But, if I were doing this for real. I would want the property owner to come
out ahead of where he was.

Roadquest, I wasn't telling you that you should take the gold and give them the shaft. I was just trying to point to a legal way of aquiring the hypothetical fortune. Far be it from me to want to deny them a fair % of the funds. If you were to give them a 50% share, then you'd be more wealthy than what $$$ would bring. 8)

 

[Roadquest]

Stony,

I know you were not telling me to give them the shaft. I know you from your post
well enff, that you would not tell anyone to do that.

Roadquest

 

[stoney56]

Thanks, I appreciate that. I can speak a few bits and pieces of various languages-just enough to get me in trouble. LOL Never did learn to speak hypothetical.