Hurried Signs

[dawgwood]

Dawg,

He was a surveyor? any hash marks in the trees? They will have been overgrown, and look like old damage to trunks. They could indicate direction from tree, and distance. Often used to reference corners in old days.

Good Luck
A scketch map for us could provide some help.

Chuck

I will see if I can find the picture but we had a huge oak that had been tied down and bent in a 90 degree angle. We found marks on the tree showing where it had apparently been tied down for years. Just a few months ago one of the 200+ year old oak trees lost a limb and we lost that tree. It had a disease so it was weaken anyway. I am sure years of being bent may not have helped it's condition. The bent part of the tree had grown at least 8 feet above the ground. We had a tree expert look at it before we lost her and was told it was at least 200 years old and the tie down happened when it was small little thing. I found a line of horse shoes under the tree. They were civil war era shoes. Also the embedded rock in the tree above with the marking in the same tree. This was a very old dogwood but the tree expert could not give me an exact age but somewhere between 100-200 years old. We have the oldest cherry tree, cedars, and dogwood trees in our county on our property so they are admired and studied often.

 

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[sabre15]

let me know when you want me to come out with my 2 box and find this for you!

 

[dawgwood]

I found a line of horse shoes under the tree. They were civil war era shoes.

Just curious here, but how could you tell the horseshoes were made, specifically, between 1860 and 1865? Are you also able to distinguish between US and CSA horseshoes?

I had not heard of this before, and could be rather pertinent.

Thanks! I will have to do my homework on the horseshoes. I did find out that my great-grandfather x4 was the only blacksmith in this county and next at that time. I will post a photo of one tomorrow to see if anyone can help me with this. There were also oxen shoes in the same line. I thought they were broken horse shoes until I found out different.

 

[dawgwood]

I have also posted this on the signs forum but it is so so full so I'll put her here too. I have found a JW a 3 or backwards r E and an omega sign? Also there was a squiggly, snake like symbol on the same rock. Any ideas what those maybe. They were about 5 feet on a rock behind the horseshoe line and bent tree. This man only had 3 days and I can't figure out how he time to bury horseshoes and carve rocks so I think this may be something else. I had also been told this was a camp site for civil war solders en route to this man allowed them to safely camp under one of the big oaks.

 

[trikikiwi]

Interesting tale of potential treasure

What I fail to understand is, why anyone would expect an old tree part - a Y - or whatever - would continue to point/aim at a particular spot after 100+ years of growth and environmental influences.

I will be pleased to be enlightened.
Mike

 

[dawgwood]

Interesting tale of potential treasure

What I fail to understand is, why anyone would expect an old tree part - a Y - or whatever - would continue to point/aim at a particular spot after 100+ years of growth and environmental influences.

I will be pleased to be enlightened.
Mike

We live in a remote area and this property has been for the most part untouched for for over 100 years. No one wanted this property because of the tales of the "haunted cemetery". This is why we have the oldest and largest cherry tree, cedar trees, and other treasures here because no one has been here. There is also poison ivy vines that size of small trees growing everywhere. I am left with the task of cleaning those as during this cleaning process my husband found out the hard way that he can not get within 1 foot of one of the deadly vines.

The only thing that had been here was part of the land was used for cotton fields but the last crop was about 50 years ago. When we moved here you could not even get to the cemetery due to poison ivy, and other over growth. We just saw the land and the challenge of making it a home and fell in love with it all. Once the family found out we had a least cleaned a path to the cemetery they began to come around. They did not tell us openly about the gold but one elderly lady let it slip. Then when a man from the historic society came to visit he brought us a copy of the public record telling us who was buried here and there is stated the "tale of the gold". The gold owners grand son who is now 98 came to visit 2 years ago. He told us the story is true as his grandmother was very upset that he died before even telling her where he buried the gold. He thought during his quick illness that he would be better within a week so he took the secret to his grave.

Also the gold owner was well traveled man who was also a master mason. It was told by his grandson he was part of a plan to help the southern states succeed and his hard work and gold was to help pay for that process. Apparently his treasure was not meant for his family but what he thought was a greater cause. I am going to our local historic society tomorrow to see if I can find a photo of the original home. This was the site of the first brick home in our county. There are many hand made brick still around today as well as rocks that were used as the foundation for the many slave quarters. Huge rocks!

 

[alpha105]

Also the gold owner was well traveled man who was also a master mason. It was told by his grandson he was part of a plan to help the southern states succeed and his hard work and gold was to help pay for that process. Apparently his treasure was not meant for his family but what he thought was a greater cause

Now im quite intrested in this story, as it is rumored by many that such a thing was happening with the south hoarding gold in assistance in gaining freedom from the north. .....if i knew how to bookmark i would but til then......

 

[dawgwood]

Also the gold owner was well traveled man who was also a master mason. It was told by his grandson he was part of a plan to help the southern states succeed and his hard work and gold was to help pay for that process. Apparently his treasure was not meant for his family but what he thought was a greater cause

Now im quite intrested in this story, as it is rumored by many that such a thing was happening with the south hoarding gold in assistance in gaining freedom from the north. .....if i knew how to bookmark i would but til then......

Yeah, I am a southern historic freak, so that the main reason I think there is more than just " a tale" to this gold story.

 

[dawgwood]

I found a line of horse shoes under the tree. They were civil war era shoes.

Just curious here, but how could you tell the horseshoes were made, specifically, between 1860 and 1865? Are you also able to distinguish between US and CSA horseshoes?

I had not heard of this before, and could be rather pertinent.

Ok, here is a photo of the horseshoe and 2 oxen shoes I found in a line leading from our huge bent tree to another huge oak. I'm not sure what this eye like thing is in the huge oak but it's pretty anyway..........and at noon or 1 PM depending on DST the sun makes the lighted mark in the center of the eye. I would love to know what type of shoes these are. thanks! Dawgwood

 

[piedmont]

Good Luck, Dawgwood. It sounds like you all have a great piece of land.

We have a very similar treasure story here in MD. On the eastern shore during the civil war era a landowner, Pot of gold(to be hidden from northern soldiers), very large female slave, and a tobacco knife go into the swamp. Only the landowner and the tobacco knife come out. Supposedly her ghost(headless of course) still guards it or something like that.

Moral of the story: never go into a swamp with someone carrying a pot of gold and a tobacco knife!

 

[dawgwood]

Good Luck, Dawgwood. It sounds like you all have a great piece of land.

We have a very similar treasure story here in MD. On the eastern shore during the civil war era a landowner, Pot of gold(to be hidden from northern soldiers), very large female slave, and a tobacco knife go into the swamp. Only the landowner and the tobacco knife come out. Supposedly her ghost(headless of course) still guards it or something like that.

Moral of the story: never go into a swamp with someone carrying a pot of gold and a tobacco knife!

A pot of gold has to be heavy so it would take a large/strong person to help. A large headless female slave would scare me away from looking! Thanks for sharing Piedmont!

 

[Zephyr]

Another place you can look is between landmarks on the property. For instance, run a rope between two trees, and bury it under where the middle of the rope is. (That's an old trick I've heard of.) Of course, after 150 years, things have probably changed too much....

 

[haylen]

I wonder if he was a freemason ? great story

 

[dawgwood]

I was able to do a lot more research and found out some more info about this gold. First the man who buried the gold died in 1841, not 1863 as I was first told. I found this information at our local library and cleaned the tombstone to confirm this was true. He was 63 when he died and it was buried 3 days before his death.

Second the gold is suppose to be Bechtler Gold made in NC. It was stated in records that he gave each of his children several pieces of this Bechtler gold and told them the rest was safe for their future and the future of the south. These were some of his last words recorded. This was long before the civil war so I am not sure what was meant by this statement at that time. He died of pneumonia thinking he just had a cold. However fever took him in the middle of the night which was a supprise to all. However there was doctor who was at his side, left him for a short time to go to the barn, no one knows why but that is recorded that he was gone for over an hour. I am trying to find out where the old barn was. It appears the doctor may have been told about the gold and thought it could have been hidden in the barn. It is recorded that the doctor died poor so no one thinks he found the gold then or later.

Still researching.

Dawgwood

 

[gldhntr]

little history on your coinage

http://www.raregold.com/r-bech.htm

and quite valuable now too

http://www.pcgs.com/prices/PriceGuideDetail.aspx?MS=1&PR=1&c=848&title=Bechtler+(N.+Carolina%2fGeorgia)

 

[dawgwood]

little history on your coinage

http://www.raregold.com/r-bech.htm

and quite valuable now too

http://www.pcgs.com/prices/PriceGuideDetail.aspx?MS=1&PR=1&c=848&title=Bechtler+(N.+Carolina%2fGeorgia)

Thanks! that information made my day..........weekend............year!!!

Dawgwood

 

[ncali_treasurehunter]

really great story hope everything works outgood luck

 

[Shiloh1]

Good story, just the kind of story that can produce some results. Keep up the research and let us know what you find. What part of North Carolina are you in? My family came from that part of the woods.

 

[dawgwood]

Good story, just the kind of story that can produce some results. Keep up the research and let us know what you find. What part of North Carolina are you in? My family came from that part of the woods.

near Charlotte

 

[Finders-Seekers]

The markings you describe may lead to a cache hidden by the Knights of the Golden Circle. Please, please, please do not move any of the rocks. The shape of the rocks indicates that they are man-made. Pay attention to what direction they are pointing and in what direction the horseshoes were laying. The KGC would sometimes place a marker above their buried treasure, such as the rock you said could be seen eight feet from the rock-tree. Sometimes it was only a clue. This gun-sight tree might be pointing in the general direction of the burial site. Then, since it's part of a triangle, the treasure could be buried in the middle of all three trees. Not to discourage you, but many times what seems logical is totally the opposite of where the KGC buried their wealth. Hope this helps!