humm worth while -- $5,000,000 in 1820 gold bullion -- 30 feet deep-- off of

[ivan salis]

yes you can disagree SWR --thats your right to be a doubting thomas --stubborn as the "show me " state mule.--and saying wheres your "proof"over and over again in a attempt to pump information out of folks is your birth right --yep so be it .

however who died and left you king of what is or is not "valid"--why should I care to seek your "approval" or "validation" of anything I say? thus turning over my work for your approval , your not my teacher "grading" my work. I do not grant that power to you .

the iggy button ah there it is

 

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[ivan salis]

that states that the congress put a bill forth for the president to take over east and west florida and set up a state govt in florida according to the treaty signed by the us and spain -- in the treaty the us got florida for taking on the claims of damages (up to 5 million dollars) done by spanish troops upon americans living in west florida ( they were there illegally spain claimed as they raided the area) for this and for the us releasing claims to texas forever --florida was "given" to the us

--- however what about the "spanish settlers "who folks who would go back to spain rather than become americans --who lived in east florida and were hurt by raiding americans ? who was to settle their accounts and claims of loss in the deal ? spain of course just like america was settling claims with its citzens --- ( however since the damages were done by americans , and a very weak spain was cash strapped the USA had to pony up the money for payments) it was this settlement money -- a like amount 5 million dollars in gold that was being shipped "under wraps" so to speak to cuba to be handed over to the spanish envoy once done the turnover of florida would be a done deal --the sinking of the shipment of gold delayed the turnover for sometime until a second amount was shipped and turned over. -- there is very little info open to the public on this matter (nothing on the net basically)-- simply put its a lost US treasury shipment of money --- think of the recent tractor trailer full of nickles that wrecked on the florida highway coming form the mint in philly ---it was a us govt money shipment and the way the us govt clamped down right away --said anyone "looting" the coins would be arrested * --so if they would do that over a nickle -- think what they would do for 5 million bucks worth of 1820 gold (todays value would be about 194,000,000.00 due the fact gold was $22 an oz in 1820 and is now $854 at last look. or 38 times as much roughly) and no they do not want you to find it --they want to and no they will not share any of it with you -- if you find it and "report it" the us govt will move in say "us govt property" --so screw you and take it.--

thus the US GOVT great fear is knowing since folks know there is no legal way for them to claim salvage on it
(being it US GOVT MONEY) someone will the find the gold -- and NOT report and break it down into small"workible" amounts slowly getting rid of it over time bit by bit.

a smart man upon finding the wreck would take one bar as proof -- turn it over to the US GOVT and tell the us govt cut me a deal in writing appoved by by congress and the president on "finders fee" % basis and I 'll see if I can remember where I found this and a bunch more at. -- if not my memory just ain't what it used to be.

 

[RELICDUDE07]

I believe ya Did you see at the bottom how they would pay in gold and silver!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ivan salis]

the first rule of thumb of researching for finding a big cache or treasure wreck is to make sure it actually existed in the first place *ie is it historically documented from good sources * (historical records from federal , state and local govt archives, old maps , old local tax and land records )-- if it existed then step #2 (ferretting out information is an artform and a science with a bit of luck add in) often its deadly dull and boring that is until you hit that nugget of info that puts things "in place"

--step #2 was it indeed actually lost and roughly where at and when and by whom? --- step 1 should help provide answers for step #2 ---ok head to step #3

step #3 --has it already been recovered or partly recovered in the past? and is it in a workible location / area ? -- if not recovered and its doible head to step #4

step #4 now that you know it existed and roughly what your looking for and who lost it and when it was lost and a rough area get to cracking .

 

[G.I.B.]

Hummm... I'm still working on the ships. Failing that, I'll just have to sail up to the coords and go diving...



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And the hidden user listed at the top is not necessarily the State of Fl snooping. TN members can turn off your little green light and join the hidden user club.

 

[wreckdiver1715]

We moderators do it all the time when we see things are headed in the wrong direction and we want lurk in the shadows to see who is playing by the rules, and who is not. HINT!
Keep it friendly!

Tom

 

[barney]

I just noticed in the photo I posted showing where I traced the unknown schooner to. I could very well be mistaken,but it looks like there is an outline of a ship. Any one else notice this? Anybody live near Yankee town, Fl, that would care to investigate? Thanks, Dell

That's super skinny water in there Dell. Average depth is around 5-6 feet within 3 miles of your spot. And then its only like 12 feet deep or so. IMHO, its unlikely a burdened vessel would be able to reach that spot unless carried by a massive storm (e.g., hurricane) or something similar. Then it would be protruding above the surface for quite a while.
I guess call me a Doubting Thomas...

 

[SebastianSam]

Dell wrote: As I mentioned, if true, they jettisoned the Gold, and canon to lighten the ship to get off the sand bar(s) and lessen the amount of water from pouring in to keep from sinking. a rough guess would be about 8000 lbs or more, jettisoned over board.

Would anybody really jettison 8000 lbs of gold to lighten a ship? I wouldn't. Cannons, spare anchors, ballast, boxes of gear, equipment, nails and hardware, personal effects, all the fat guys, cattle, horses, pigs would go overboard...but not the gold!

 

[RELICDUDE07]

The bill did pass after many days ,where did john s. potter get this info on the schooner ya think?

 

[ivan salis]

yes they were taking an accounting of govt monies on "deposit" in the us banks --- now why were they finding out how much they had "cash on hand" ? and what did they plan to do with it? and they wanted the banks to have a subsitue (paper money) for specie (silver / gold) because they wanted to do what with it?

 

[RELICDUDE07]

Im sorry but i cant tell you :P its a good read,500 pages

 

[ivan salis]

oh you'ld be amazed how much I read and what I can and do get my hands on at times -- but since I don't want my sources of info to get flooded by folks or dry up because of being "exposed" for leaking me tidbits of info -- like a smart news reporter I don't leak my sources.

good solid information is often money in the bank --in treasure hunting.