✅ SOLVED How old is this tobacco pipe ?

[tamrock]

Yesterday I was going through a flea market and saw this old pipe mounted on a very light piece of driftwood with also what appears to be a genuine arrowhead made from white chert. The pipe has a clay bowl and the stem looks like maybe it's made of bamboo ? There is a note attached saying this pipe belonged to my grandma Cherokee Mary Ann Shout. My first hunch was to search the Find A Grave site in the state of Oklahoma and sure enough a woman of this very name who is of Cherokee descent came up. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/15015398/mary-ann-stout .. I kinda wonder if this is the woman that once owned this very pipe. To me the pipe looks old, but how old?.. Also I'd like to get some opinions on the source of material the stone point may have come from if any of you have an idea about that.

 

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[HuntinDog]

People will say anything to help sell their stuff.
The pipe is 19th c, but it would be best to have Cherokee Mary holding the pipe in the picture.
Otherwise it's just a pipe with a story....
Could be true or not.
Anyones guess.

 

[villagenut]

Looks to be a Pamplin pipe from the second half of the 1800s

 

[Jason in Enid]

I'm a pipe aficionado but no expert. Its certainly an older style. Reminds me of what I've seen for late 1800s. What was the date of death for the grave you found?

 

[Jason in Enid]

Looks to be a Pamplin pipe from the second half of the 1800s

I think you nailed it. I dont know if its possible to date it. They seemed to use that same design for a very long time. One of the pics I saw was an illustration from 1837 that has the same style of pipe.

 

[tamrock]

Im in agreement with huntndog, but why couple the pipe to this woman, unless it's a totally random idea someone came up with. It's 10 bucks and most likely will still be there when I go back, so I might just buy it just because it's an old pipe with what I'm sure is a genuine arrowhead.


Mary Ann McAlxander Stout
BIRTH 5 Sep 1852
Oklahoma, USA
DEATH 13 Aug 1936 (aged 83)
Tulsa, Tulsa County, Oklahoma, USA
BURIAL
Elmwood Cemetery
Wagoner, Wagoner County, Oklahoma, USA

 

[vhs07]

This similar one is listed as "Civil War Era"

 

[Reanm8er]

Maybe dig a little deeper in ancestry.com!

 

[Indian Steve]

They may be listed as Civil War era but are 1880s up to 1910 or so. The pipe could have been made in Pamplin but also could have been made in Mogadore Ohio. Both pipe factories were owned by the same company and they shared molds & clay. Most Pamplin pipes were red clay & most Mogadore pipes were grey ironstone clay, but as they shared clay, it could have been made at either place. As a kid, i lived in Mogadore and started digging the pottery dumps when i was 12. There were 29 potteries in Mogadore. When we moved to North Carolina in 1971 {I was 16}, i took over 5,000 pipes to NC with me. I sold them all within a year and made several trips back to dig more. I dug and sold over 18,000 pipes. The last 400 were dug in 1982 while on my honeymoon. Yes, She is still with me. I had a friend who dug over 100,000 pipes in the back yard of a house that he rented, just so he could dig pipes. He put up a 6 ft fence around the yard and used a backhoe to dig. After he finished, he relandscaped the yard, took down the fence and moved out. He had one buyer who paid him $1 each. Not bad for a years work.

 

[ARC]

They may be listed as Civil War era but are 1880s up to 1910 or so. The pipe could have been made in Pamplin but also could have been made in Mogadore Ohio. Both pipe factories were owned by the same company and they shared molds & clay. Most Pamplin pipes were red clay & most Mogadore pipes were grey ironstone clay, but as they shared clay, it could have been made at either place. As a kid, i lived in Mogadore and started didding the pottery dumps when i was 12. There were 29 potteries in Mogadore. When we moved to North Carolina in 1971 {I was 16}, i took over 5,000 pipes to NC with me. I sold them all within a year and made several trips back to dig more. I dug and sold over 18,000 pipes. The last 400 were dug in 1982 while on my honeymoon. Yes, She is still with me. I had a friend who dug over 100,000 pipes in the back yard of a house that he rented, just so he could dig pipes. He put up a 6 ft fence around the yard and used a backhoe to dig. After he finished, he relandscaped the yard, took down the fence and moved out. He had one buyer who paid him $1 each. Not bad for a years work.

Well whadaya know.

 

[tamrock]

I think the date is solved, 1880s - 90s sounds good. I went and looked at again this afternoon and decided I'll leave it for someone else.

 

[ToddsPoint]

White flint arrowhead found in OK. Probably a flint called "Peoria" locally. It is from the Burlington formation which extends from IL through MO into OK. It's pretty common stuff throughout its range. Gary

 

[ANTIQUARIAN]

Too bad someone made a mess of it with the glue job.
Wire twist ties and small holes drilled into the wood would've been a much better idea.

At least you got an I'D.
Dave