Horse tack?

[Garabaldi]

Looks colonial era. You think its a horse tack?

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

Im not sure what it is but thats the Tudor Rose of England. Nice find.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tudor_rose

 

[CRUSADER]

Looks colonial era. You think its a horse tack?

These are leather attachments on horses & normally are 17th C but this looks later, probably 18th

 

[timekiller]

I agree with CRU, looks like some kind of harness mount/decoration.The attachment,size of it,& flower looks funny too more like the ones here from the 19th century.
http://www.colchestertreasurehunting.co.uk/H/harnessmounts.htm
Take Care,
Pete,

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I agree with CRU, looks like some kind of harness mount/decoration.The attachment,size of it,& flower looks funny too more like the ones here from the 19th century.
http://www.colchestertreasurehunting.co.uk/H/harnessmounts.htm
Take Care,
Pete,

Good link. It resembles many English Roses on that page.


IMO its definitely English and its definitely the Tudor Rose of England. I dont know what century.
http://www.google.com/search?um=1&h...=Tudor+Rose&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=

 

[CRUSADER]

I agree with CRU, looks like some kind of harness mount/decoration.The attachment,size of it,& flower looks funny too more like the ones here from the 19th century.
http://www.colchestertreasurehunting.co.uk/H/harnessmounts.htm
Take Care,
Pete,

funny, just had another look & before reading this, I began to think I was wrong it its 19th C

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I agree that it could be a horse harness decoration but can someone show me an example of the back that matches with the 3 broken ends?

 

[Garabaldi]

The reason I asked if it dates to colonial is that I found it at a Colonial site. I have found numerous horse, shoe buckles, coins etc that all date back to colonial. . I haven't found any 19th century horse artifacts.

 

[timekiller]

I hope in the future that you will help a little more on your post it may help everyone trying to help you. Now that you are so sure it was found on a colonial site makes me at least look further into it.And now doing so came up with your mount.It's just so much different looking then ones I'm use to finding it through me off.Below are a link to my post showing the type I find which are small two lug.And a site to your 17th century mount.
Take Care,
Pete,
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,390586.0.html
http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showrecords.php?product=26578&cat=45

 

[CRUSADER]

I hope in the future that you will help a little more on your post it may help everyone trying to help you. Now that you are so sure it was found on a colonial site makes me at least look further into it.And now doing so came up with your mount.It's just so much different looking then ones I'm use to finding it through me off.Below are a link to my post showing the type I find which are small two lug.And a site to your 17th century mount.
Take Care,
Pete,
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,390586.0.html
http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showrecords.php?product=26578&cat=45

I've flitted about on this one, at first I thought 17th C but not liking the reverse attachments, I changed my mind. The preservation & crispness of design seem too good for an early period piece. But the bottom link is quite convincing, as I've never seen the stepped raised & 3 prongs in this period.

So we know its a horse harness mount & is best dated in line with your other finds? (whats the date range)

 

[lostcauses]

Decoration for a persons belt or other leather/ plastic item such as purse strap ect.. called a concho. I suspect modern by the back.

 

[Silver Searcher]

Horse decoration, but it doesn't depict the Tudor Rose....Nice find

SS

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Horse decoration, but it doesn't depict the Tudor Rose....Nice find

SS

Ill take your word for it but could you be kind enough to explain the difference? The UK database calles it Rose-shaped.


BTW great ID Timekiller!! Very old find G.

 

[timekiller]

I hope in the future that you will help a little more on your post it may help everyone trying to help you. Now that you are so sure it was found on a colonial site makes me at least look further into it.And now doing so came up with your mount.It's just so much different looking then ones I'm use to finding it through me off.Below are a link to my post showing the type I find which are small two lug.And a site to your 17th century mount.
Take Care,
Pete,
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,390586.0.html
http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showrecords.php?product=26578&cat=45

I've flitted about one this one, at first I thought 17th C but not liking the reverse attachments, I changed my mind. The preservation & crispness of design seem too good for an early period piece. But the bottom link is quite convincing, as I've never seen the stepped raised & 3 prongs in this period.

So we know its a horse harness mount & is best dated in line with your other finds? (whats the date range)

I know that baby is in great condition for sure had me all over the place. But I guess it's 17th century as here is another in a little better shape.
http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showrecords.php?product=6524&cat=45

So I'd be guessing his is about 35-34 mm in size myself. Alot bigger then my little 13mm
Take Care,
Pete,

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

In Timekillers last link its called a rose and its found in England, so why is that not the heraldic English Rose/ Tudor Rose?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Rose

 

[timekiller]

Another here all 35-34mm.
http://www.colchestertreasurehunting.co.uk/mountflower.html

 

[Silver Searcher]

The Tudor Rose is a amalgamation of two Roses, The Red Rose of Lancaster, and the White Rose of Yorkshire. This was brought about by Henry Tudor after he defeated Richard111, bringing to a end the war of the Roses.
His father was Edmund Tudor from the House of Richmond, and his mother was Margaret Beaufort from the House of Lancaster; he married Elizabeth of York to bring all factions together.

SS

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

The Tudor Rose is a amalgamation of two Roses, The Red Rose of Lancaster, and the White Rose of Yorkshire. This was brought about by Henry Tudor after he defeated Richard111, bringing to a end the war of the Roses.
His father was Edmund Tudor from the House of Richmond, and his mother was Margaret Beaufort from the House of Lancaster; he married Elizabeth of York to bring all factions together.

SS

OK thanks. I have seen a lot of different variations portrayed and I figured it was not a real flower, just symbolic.. Just google "tudor rose" and look at all the different varieties claimed to be tudor.. Kinda hard for me to tell but thanks for the explanation.


Can we call it an "English Rose", "Red Rose" or "White Rose"?

 

[Garabaldi]

I hope in the future that you will help a little more on your post it may help everyone trying to help you. Now that you are so sure it was found on a colonial site makes me at least look further into it.And now doing so came up with your mount.It's just so much different looking then ones I'm use to finding it through me off.Below are a link to my post showing the type I find which are small two lug.And a site to your 17th century mount.
Take Care,
Pete,
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,390586.0.html
http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showrecords.php?product=26578&cat=45

I agree, I get lazy with details and spoiled by the quick ID's from you experts on this site.
Great ID Timekiller!!!!!
Also great sources. I measured the mount and it is 35MM. I am continuously blown away when finding English artifacts in New England.
Thanks CRUSADER and BIGCY also.

 

[Silver Searcher]

The Tudor Rose is a amalgamation of two Roses, The Red Rose of Lancaster, and the White Rose of Yorkshire. This was brought about by Henry Tudor after he defeated Richard111, bringing to a end the war of the Roses.
His father was Edmund Tudor from the House of Richmond, and his mother was Margaret Beaufort from the House of Lancaster; he married Elizabeth of York to bring all factions together.

SS

OK thanks. I have seen a lot of different variations portrayed and I figured it was not a real flower, just symbolic.. Just google "tudor rose" and look at all the different varieties claimed to be tudor.. Kinda hard for me to tell but thanks for the explanation.


Can we call it an "English Rose", "Red Rose" or "White Rose"?

You can call it the Yellow Rose of texas...for all I care.