Help with bullet id

[teverly]

This is a picture of a bullet that i found under a torn up sidewalk and i cant seem to find any info on it.
It says Western and has a - 17 on the bottom.

 

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[kenb]

Check out this site. http://cartridgecollectors.org/
Hope it helps.

kenb

 

[teverly]

kenb,
Thanks for the info.Posted on the website you suggested.

 

[relic lover]

my guess is 30/30 winchester

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Shapewise, I'd agree. .32 Winchester also a possibility. Odd collar on the cartridge neck. Could be to keep it from setting back in the magazine tube.

Some kind of measurement or a reference item would help. Is the paper regular or college ruled? If it's over 16" long it's probably anti-tank munitions.

 

[teverly]

Shapewise, I'd agree. .32 Winchester also a possibility. Odd collar on the cartridge neck. Could be to keep it from setting back in the magazine tube.

Some kind of measurement or a reference item would help. Is the paper regular or college ruled? If it's over 16" long it's probably anti-tank munitions.

the whole thing is 3" long and the slug part is about 2 or 3x bigger than a 30-30 or 30-06 and flat nosed.And i think it may be copper jacketed as the lead part has the same patina as the casing.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

3X bigger than a .30 would be 1" or 24mm and that IS an anti-tank munition!

If it's 3" overall it could be a .348 Winchester, doesn't quite look right for a .33 Winchester or a .38/55. The "17" is a puzzle because military rounds (US & most countries) were stamped with a date and a code for the arsenal. It doesn't look like any .303 British or 8mm (French, German) round I know of, and by 1917 most countries were floating around .30 or 8mm sized bullets.

Then there's the single-shot calibers like .40-60 Sharps bottleneck or .40-65 Winchester, but they would likely have has all lead bullets.

Without a mocrometer reading (three decimal places) on the bullet at it's widest part just before it enters the case and the case length (not including the bullet) it would be all conjecture.

For instance, the Winchester 1886 leveraction rifle was chambered in:
Model 1886 Calibers:
.45-70 Gov’t
.45-90 W.C.F.
.40-82 W.C.F.
.40-65 W.C.F.
.38-56 W.C.F.
.50-110 Express
.38-70 W.C.F.
.40-70 W.C.F.
.50-100-450 Express
.33 W.C.F.

One model of one manufacturer who sold many models. All look like that cartridge you found. Blunt nosed & rimmed, though some of these are straight with no shoulder.

 

[hasbeen]

I believe the cartridge is the 11x59mm Vickers ,they were used by the French and British ti shoot down ballons during WW1.

Western Cartridge Co. loaded this ammo during 1917,it was headstamped W 2-17.It was loaded with a full jacketed bullet as per the Hague Convention.

The base will not be flat but have a raised area between the rim and the primed.

The bullet should measure abouy .445 in front of the case mouth.Rim dia. .667,base dia..544,case length 2.34,cartridge length 3.00.

hasbeen

 

[teverly]

I believe the cartridge is the 11x59mm Vickers ,they were used by the French and British ti shoot down ballons during WW1.

Western Cartridge Co. loaded this ammo during 1917,it was headstamped W 2-17.It was loaded with a full jacketed bullet as per the Hague Convention.

The base will not be flat but have a raised area between the rim and the primed.

The bullet should measure abouy .445 in front of the case mouth.Rim dia. .667,base dia..544,case length 2.34,cartridge length 3.00.

hasbeen

Thanks for all the help guys.
hasbeen is the winner.One of the guys on the ammo forum from several post back said the same thing.I knew someone on here would know!!

 

[hasbeen]

Pardon my spelling this morning,my eyesight is too blurred for proof reading.

hasbeen