✅ SOLVED Help needed further identifying a possible CW carbine sling buckle

[invent4hir]

Hi everyone,

Does anyone have access to one or more of the following 3 books?
1. Confederate general service accoutrement plates by Lon W. Keim
2. Confederate belt buckles and plates by Steve E. Mullinax
3. American military belt plates by Michael J. O'Donnell & J. Duncan Campbell

If so, can you tell me if the buckle appearing on the left side of the attached photo is in it? If it is, I’d appreciate a reply with which book you found it in, the name of the buckle, whether it is Union or Confederate, the page number, and if possible a photo.

I’ve been told it is of the Civil War era. After comparing it to 100s of photos on-line, the closest match is shown on the right. That buckle appeared on a website entitled Civil War slings. The only info for this particular buckle is “Pictures and information courtesy of Jerry Jackson of Confederate States Military Antiques 1082842741”. I did a search but came up empty handed.

This information found will be part of a presentation I give to members of a church upon whose land I found the buckle.

 

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[invent4hir]

Hi everyone,

I value all opinions. But if I'm going to challenge the firearms expert at Cowan's over the ID of the buckle based on the presence or absence of "stays", I will have more success by combining your opinions with at least 1 corroborating source rather than relying on expert opinion alone. Otherwise, it is just expert opinion versus expert opinion - of which I'm hardly qualified to decide.

Meanwhile I came across an excellent 10-part article entitled "Buckles Through The Ages" originally appearing in Treasure Hunter magazine between January and December 1986. It shows & describes buckles found in England mostly by archaeologists (plus a few by metal detectorists) from the Roman to the Georgian times (1690). On page 12, it shows a buckle (see #83 on graphic) with "stays" similar to the post CBG made on January 24. That buckle dates to 1375-1500. Buckle #73 on the same page, which dates between 1275-1500 is described on page 11, as having "stops" on the hinge bar. The entire article can be seen at http://www.walesher1974.org/herumd.php?group=CPAT&level=3&docid=301363015.

 

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[CRUSADER]

Hi everyone,

I value all opinions. But if I'm going to challenge the firearms expert at Cowan's over the ID of the buckle based on the presence or absence of "stays", I will have more success by combining your opinions with at least 1 corroborating source rather than relying on expert opinion alone. Otherwise, it is just expert opinion versus expert opinion - of which I'm hardly qualified to decide.

Meanwhile I came across an excellent 10-part article entitled "Buckles Through The Ages" originally appearing in Treasure Hunter magazine between January and December 1986. It shows & describes buckles found in England mostly by archaeologists (plus a few by metal detectorists) from the Roman to the Georgian times (1690). On page 12, it shows a buckle (see #83 on graphic) with "stays" similar to the post CBG made on January 24. That buckle dates to 1375-1500. Buckle #73 on the same page, which dates between 1275-1500 is described on page 11, as having "stops" on the hinge bar. The entire article can be seen at http://www.walesher1974.org/herumd.php?group=CPAT&level=3&docid=301363015.

I know about a few exceptions to the rule on the collars, like the above. There is also a 14th C oval type buckle, but all those other examples are medieval, constructed of a different type of metal & were not in continuous use into the 19th C. If you think this changes anything, your wrong, it changes nothing, I already knew of these very limited examples which were short lived.
It was irrelevant to a CW period find/20th C find in the same way that some Roman Buckles had them.
(it was a development that never caught on into main stream production, I find thousands of this period buckle & I've yet to get 1 of this variety, I've got nearly 1 or 20 of every other)