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homeowner i met , we were walking his property, as we plan on detecting it once it gets cooler, he showed this to me, asked me to see if i could get help finding out what it is....thanks in advance....gregg

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he thought it was possibly a motorcycle gas tank well part of it. looks like a fender of some sort.
 

I will have new photos on friday along with dimensions it looks too thin to be a brand i will definitely look to fill out as much info on it along with better photos on friday night
 

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I found this, but unless they sold one to my son I doubt anyone drove it into a field on purpose. :laughing7:

"After 5 years in the making, Rapier Automotive of Boston, Massachusetts has announced that they are now taking deposits for the most exclusive, hand-built supercar on the Planet, the Rapier Super Lite Coupe."

I also looked under "Rocking R" but came up empty, sorry.
 

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I spent a bit of time researching vintage motorcycles - but the logo does not appear to be a known logo for any of the following brands: Raleigh, Ravat, Reading Standard, Rene Gillet, Rex, RhonyX, Rover, Royal Enfield, Rudge or Rush. I guess there is a possibility that the 'R' in the logo identifies a model and not a manufacturer. Wish I could be of more help, but at this point I'm leaning towards not motorcycle related.
 

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If that thing it is mounted on is steel it probably is not from an airplane.
 

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~ ROCK-OLA ~

~ R ~

I thought I would throw this into the mix just in case. But unless I missed something in my research, I am beginning to doubt there is a connection. That is unless one of their super-early models was made out of metal and carried a Rocking R emblem with wings. :dontknow:

The Rock-Ola company started out making slot machines and pinball machines in 1927, and then graduated into jukeboxes during the early 1930s. The "R" and the "Rocking" aspect fit, but that's about it.

Side note: Have you ever wondered about the term "Rock and Roll?" If it wasn't coined until the early 1950s, then what was "Rock-Ola" referring to in the 1920s an 30s? :icon_scratch:

Clue: You will have to think outside of the "jukebox" for the answer!

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My "Rock and Roll" question was a quiz. Here's the answers ...

The Rock-Ola company, which originally made slot machines, scales and pinball machines, was founded in 1927 by Coin-Op pioneer David Cullen Rockola. :icon_thumright:

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In 1951, Cleveland, Ohio, disc jockey Alan Freed began playing this music style while popularizing the term "Rock and Roll" to describe it.

( Did you pass the test? I didn't )

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oldsledz said:
If that thing it is mounted on is steel it probably is not from an airplane.
Good catch. I agree. Scratch airplane.
 

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I realize the following list is a lot of information. But since it appears the best clue so far is the neighbor's guess about it being part of a motorcycle gas tank (which it really does look like) I thought this might help. It is supposed to be a list of every motorcycle maker that begins with the letter "R."

I couldn't find a quick link to any of them, so they will have to be researched individually. I suppose I could just as easily have posted a link to this, but I thought it would be easier and more fun this way.

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Ocalsix ~ If you haven't done so already, when you get a chance could you examine the item closer and see if that is a tear on the side or an overlap? Does there appear to be any evidence of original welds? (And any other "details" you can tell us about it). Thanks. :icon_thumright:

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Search tip: Just copy/paste the name to your browser search box.

Rabbit Japan, 1946-1968, scooters, built by Fuji Heavy Industries. Had engines up to 250cc. Fuji also built the Hurricane motorcycle from about 1953 to 1968
Rabiniek Germany, 1930's - 1958, Sachs engines
Radior France, 1920's, JAP engines
Radco 1913-32.Small bikes. Started again 1954-56 as Radnall. Made a minibike in 1966.
Rambler England, 1950s Rambler was the name Norman autocycle used on exported bikes
Ratier France, 1946 - 1962, They had BMW "Boxer" style opposed twin engines of their own manufacture
Reading Standard USA, 1905? Early models used Thor engines. Bought by Cleveland motorcycle in 1922, Cleveland sold the last Reading Standard in 1923.
Racycle USA, 1900's Miami Cycle Co. Thor engines
Raleigh England, Their first motorcycle was a bicycle frame with a 2 HP German Schwan engine built in 1899. T
Raynal England, 1936 - 1950, Autocycles with Villiars "Junior" engines
Ready Belgium, 1920s, NV Ready Motor Co
Red Horse USA, Harley clones
Regas USA, The Regas Vehicle Company built it's first motorcycle around 1900 using a DeDion engine. Before they stopped making motorcycles in 1903 they also used Patee and or Fleming engines
Regina Horex
Reliance USA, In 1903 the Reliance was Introduced by the Empire Motor Cycle Co., which soon changed to the Reliance Motor Cycle Co. The company had financial problems in 1911 and was purchased by it's former director Willis Ives. Ives restarted the production of motorcycles in 1912 under the Monarch name. see Monarch
Rene-Gillet France, closed in the early 1960's
Rex (Rex Coventry) England around 1904, joined with Acme of England around 1922 and became Rex-Acme
Reynolds Special See Scott
R&H England, 1922 - 1925
Rickman England, 1957 - ? made mostly dirt bikes using their frames and other manufacturers engines
Ridley USA, They make 3/4 scale bikes that look like a Harley and use 465 to 570cc V-Twin engines and an automatic transmission that their ads describe as "Gas & Go. There isn't a clutch to mess with or shifter to be confused by." How convenient, I always get confused by that pesky shifter
Riedel Germany
Rieju Japan, 1930's
Rieju Spain
Rikuo (Rukuo?) Harley sold manufacturing rights to the Japanese Sankyo Pharmaceutical Company around 1929. They built flathead Japanese Harleys for a short while from design details supplied by HD
Riley England, 1896 - 1908, Riley Cycle Co. Ltd. was founded in 1896 and produced a powered quadricycle, and a tricycle, both called Royal Rileys' in 1899. Their first purpose built motorcycle was in 1903, using an engine of their own design. Motorcycle production stopped in 1908? and bicycles ceased by 1911, so the company could concentrate on auto production
Riotte USA, 1895, Carl Riotte designed a small kerosene burning engine that was attached to a bicycle
Rizzato Italy, 1978
Robinson see AR
Roc France, Race chassis builders
Rockford USA, 1972 - 1975, sold models called Chibi, Taka and Tora see Bridgestone
Roehr USA, They have their first prototype done, the RV500cc two stroke, it has 102hp and weights 325lb
Rokon USA, Started making 2 wheel drive bikes in the late 1950's
Roland Made by Allright
Rollaway USA, Rollaway Co. 1919 - 1921, made bicycle engine kits
Romet Poland
Roper England, 1901 - 1905
Roper (steam) USA, 1867, Made by Sylvester Roper, it was probably the first motorcycle. Made about the same time as the Michaux-Perraux in France. The coal fired steam engine unit is part of a specially built chassis rather than an add-on and had no pedal crank. Roper also built a four wheeled "steam carriage" and exhibited both at fairs and circuses for a number of years. He suffered a heart attack while riding one at a show in 1896 and died. One is in the Smithsonian Museum
Rossija Russia, 1903
Rotax Austrian engine builder
Roto Gannet England, 1971 Rotary
Roton Australia, 1990 Rotary engine. Brian Crighton, who had worked on Norton's rotaries, started the company
Roussey France, 1950's, Scooters
Royal Enfield England, The Enfield Cycle Company built their first motorcycle in 1900 and used their own and other makers engines until around 1927? and then used only their own. The first Enfield "Bullet" was built in 1932
 

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Good list. You can start by eliminating the names searched by Swampcreek.
 

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thanks guys....homeowner wasn't home when we went last time... so when we go back will redo photos, i sent him an email asking him to take photos if he could of it, with measurements...
 

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Ocalasix said:
thanks guys....homeowner wasn't home when we went last time... so when we go back will redo photos, i sent him an email asking him to take photos if he could of it, with measurements...

Ocalasix, since you have seen it in person, and we haven't, would you say the piece is approximately the size of this portion on a child's pedal tractor? If not, is it larger or smaller?

You've mention twice the logo is thin. Perhaps it is a 'mammy made' aluminum logo that someone made for their child's pedal tractor, airplane or car. Be sure to get a closeup of the logo to see if it was machine cut or handmade.

Breezie
 

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Breezie ~

This may be another wild goose chase, but when you see the picture below you will understand why I am bringing this to your attention. I actually was looking at pedal cars yesterday, but not seeing a "Flying R" I gave up on them. But after seeing your outline this morning, I decided to give it another look and found this pedal car which is described as a ...

Garton "Stutz"

Is that a "Flying R" hood ornament or a "P" or something else? It sure doesn't look like a "G" or an "S" :dontknow: I tried researching the brand, and found several other Garton's with similar ornaments, but this is the best one of the lot. I also found the following link for Garton, but haven't had time to click on the numerous pictures of their multitude of different models. Maybe you or other members have the time and can see if anything pops up. Apparently the company has been around since the late 1800s, and may still be in business for all I know.

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Garton Link: http://www.pedalcar.net/garton.html
 

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The ornament is not an "R" but rather a generic center column as indicated by #21 in this illustration of a Garton "Tin Lizzy". Oh well, it was worth a shot. But it definitely has wings, and that's a start. :dontknow: And it may still be a pedal car. We should know more after seeing the new pictures and details information. :icon_thumleft:

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The logo is from Garton Peddle Cars as Bob said; the pics showing the logo are on the 'tin lizzy.' Now, it's just a matter of finding which pedal toy Garton put the logo on the side instead of using it as a hood ornament. If Garton didn't do so, maybe some Pa Pa got creative,made one, and attached it to the side. Here ya go Bob . .. great team work! :thumbsup:
 

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Breezie ~

Good job! It looks like a "Flying R" to me! Here's your "High-Five" for team work.

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Breezie said:
The logo is from Garton Peddle Cars as Bob said; the pics showing the logo are on the 'tin lizzy.' Now, it's just a matter of finding which pedal toy Garton put the logo on the side instead of using it as a hood ornament. If Garton didn't do so, maybe some Pa Pa got creative,made one, and attached it to the side. Here ya go Bob . .. great team work! :thumbsup:

Breezie - I think you really could have it with the pedal car idea but I don't know that the Garton logo is the flying R - this is what I found for Garton Tin Lizzy Hood Ornament replacement part:

http://www.pedalcar.com/shopping_cart.php?sort=2a

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But like you mentioned maybe the thing we are looking for could be a homemade version of this idea ...
 

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Bramblefind ~

That's what I thought at first. That is until Breezie posted the car with a hood ornament that looks totally different than the "I" shaped one. I/we could be wrong, but Breezie's picture difinitely looks like something other than an "I" to me. :icon_scratch: But whether it is actually an "R" could be debated. It also looks a little bit like an "H" :dontknow:

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Bramble & Bob, I don't have a clue if that hood ornament is the same Garton as the logo in the woods, but it's pretty close. My theory, and what I've done through the years of buying/selling/trading/digging antiques, collectibles, relics, etc. is try to put the unknown item in 'common ground' with 'shape being for use,' and I throw in some common sense (my Daddy's fault LOL He was forever asking me when I was a child, 'does that make sense to you?') ID-ing relics reminds me of genealogy; once you get past known written information, the rest is logical guesswork.
So my theory works like this: It's not very likely a rare Italian motorcycle or airplane part is going to be found in the woods on a farm; it could be, but I take the odds that generally that is not 'common ground' for those items. So, then I think, what would be the most likely candidate to be found on a farm in the woods that is made of that material and shaped like that? The answer is a tractor part/piece or any part of some farm equipment, wagon, or a child's toy.
A good example of 'shape being for use' is the Trade Bracelet (not sure yet) I found last week. The roundness says bracelet, the flat closure areas says it was made to wear. Ivan Salis made a very good post about that. So the item in the woods 'shape for use' looked like part of a pedal toy instead of the other candidates.
My Daddy's 'use your common sense' teaching factor came in with the logo is thin, not quite symmetrical, tacked on, can't be matched exactly to any national known manufacturer, didn't rust so it's probably aluminum so the closest thing I could come up with was a pedal toy, then Bob found the Tin Lizzy, and as Paul Harvey said, 'that's the rest of the story.' :laughing7:
We may never know what it is, but I think we've come darn close. If we could see it in person, it would make a world of difference, but we're having to access the situation using 2 pics. BUT we love it; so we do it! :thumbsup: Breezie
 

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