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This first piece came from a wealthy politicians estate sale. It is a "dry etching" and I believe has watercolor over top. Nice piece but have not been able to id artist.



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This next piece came from a wealthy family who had connections all over the globe in politics and wealth. The frame is old. The pieces look to be either glass, porcelain, or glaze of some sort.



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You need to have those Chinese porcelain panels looked at by someone who specializes in Asian antiques. Some panels can be very pricey!

The etching is an aquatint but I can't decipher the signature.
 

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The paint s of the Town Hall in Wroclaw, Poland.

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What you show as the artist name I believe is the name of the painting. B.......... Rathaus (government house)

DCMatt
 

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Unfortunately I cannot see which pictures actually attached from my cell phone. I may have missed the picture which I figured was the signature. Here it is if its not already there

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Btw, thank you very much for the subject id. You cats are slick!
 

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The artist name looks like R. Riley to me but I'm only guessing... There are plenty of artists named Riley but no 'R.' Riley that I can find. Also, the subject matter is not uncommon in artist's renderings.

I do observe that the women in the painting are wearing relatively short skirts so I suspect the painting is no older than the teens or 1920's. I also looked at some old post cards of the building. In the early 20th C there was an open marking on the side street. During German occupation the building was draped with Nazi banners and surrounded by a security fence. Those things don't appear in your painting. That makes me think it is post WWII.

Did you find this painting in the USA?

DCMatt
 

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Those pics of the Chinese characters (#5-7) should be rotated 90 degrees to the left.
 

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cti4sw said:
Those pics of the Chinese characters (#5-7) should be rotated 90 degrees to the left.
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Yeah, my phone would not let me edit the orientation of the photos. Do you want me to resubmit them orientated the right way?
 

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Mackaydon said:
Regarding the painting.....notwithstanding the name on the frame, I believe the artist is Hugo Ulbrich (1867-1928).
He painted many paintings of this structure including this painting--in 1903.
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Thank you very much for this. Why would someone else sign on to a piece from another artist? Could this etching have been done from one of his paintings? This is definitely an etching as you can see and feel the imprint from the plate. I understand that many prints can be made off an original plate but why sign your name to it?
 

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It was not uncommon for any number of artists to replicate another's work in the etching medium. The name in pencil is the actual artist who did the dry point. The German ebay listing appears to be by the same artist. It also didn't become fashionable until the late 19th century and up to today for artists to sign their works, even if it was an "after" work (generally before this time the artists did an 'itaglio' or in the plate signature only). While etchings can have quite a few prints made from each plate, each is considered an original as long as it is made from the original plate. Thus the signatures by the artists on each etching. It only became "fashionable" in the late 19th and 20th century for artists to number their prints in an edition. I have found after many years of collecting etchings that frequently quite a bit of information may be affixed to the back of the print. Have you removed it from it's frame and checked the back? If not, do so carefully, older paper can be quite delicate. This is not always helpful, but a number of my prints had a wealth of information on the back (I have a watercolor by a noted German artist, Wilhelm Dietz, that was signed on the front only by a cartouche. On the back was not only his name written out legibly but another entire work of art!).
I highly suggest that you do some research in the history of engraving and print-making; it would only enhance your appreciation of this work you have found.
 

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Well, I still feel like I did good with the $30 invested in the etching
 

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I didn't mean to demean your find. I, too, would have bought it at that price had I come across it and "after" work or not, would have cherished it. My post was for information purposes only. Sometimes we don't find or can afford a piece by the originating artist, so we get what what we can find. In many cases, I would be hard put whether to buy an original or an after work. Take "A Man In a Window" by Rembrandt. The only originals in good condition were lifetime impressions worth many thousands. Later editions of the original plate show extensive plate wear and reworking marks by later inferior engravers (almost don't look like the original at all and no doubt would be spurned by Rembrandt himself). However, available today are any number of "after" works by Armand Durand, a very skillful and well respected engraver from the 19th century; whose impressions of the same work are still crisp and clear. Many collectors would prefer the latter and would consider the image to be more true to the original.
 

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No need to apologize. My tone was not communicated properly, often happens when typing on internet. I was more or less trying to say it was a no brainer at $30 as I liked the work. If its valuable beyond that then I'm even happier.

Thank you for the wealth of knowledge. I am amazed at the quality of information available at the click of a button on this sight.

Take care!
 

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