🔎 UNIDENTIFIED Hello- I am new to the hobby,can someone help me identify these bullets?

[Montana Treasure]

 

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[vpnavy]

Until a member(s) pipes in - I pulled this from another TN thread...

Civil War Bullet ID Chart (Sep 05, 2013)

Civil War Bullets (Sep 26, 2019)

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[pepperj]

They look like they're metal jacket type bullets.
Need to know the size in mm
Get one of these

Then use this link to put in the measurement to figure out the caliber

Convert caliber to mm - Conversion of Measurement Units

Do a quick conversion: 1 caliber = 25.4 millimetres using the online calculator for metric conversions. Check the chart for more details.

www.convertunits.com

 

[Timbermaster]

By appearance and weight, it would appear you have modern jacketed pistol bullets. My guess is a and b are .32 cal bullets , cdef are .45 acp, and g is .38/9mm. They could be from the early 1900’s on. I dig alot of those too, they sound good on the machine.

 

[eyemustdigtreasure]

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Great finds!
You can get diameter of each type and base with ring description helps!
There’s books or websites that help AND folks here on TNet can help!
Keep posting!
Welcome!

 

[smokeythecat]

Timbermaster is correct. These were made not before 1900. Looks like a lot were maybe military use.

 

[crashbandicoot]

I gave you a guess on your other post.Timbermaster is correct in his IDs.For ID of US bullets Diameter in thousandths of an inch is more useful than Millimeters. Example-9mm is most often .355", 45ACP-.452", 38 SPL-.357",44 MAG-.429",40 S&W .410",I can,t pull the 32ACP from memory. 45 Long Colt can vary from.452"to .457" depending on the vintage of the piece fired in. The FMJ type is widely used in both civil and military ammo,and is the only Geneva Convention type legal for use in war. Your C and F possibly could be JHP or JSP bullets,lack of exposed lead at the base would indicate this.

 

[Montana Treasure]

I gave you a guess on your other post.Timbermaster is correct in his IDs.For ID of US bullets Diameter in thousandths of an inch is more useful than Millimeters. Example-9mm is most often .355", 45ACP-.452", 38 SPL-.357",44 MAG-.429",40 S&W .410",I can,t pull the 32ACP from memory. 45 Long Colt can vary from.452"to .457" depending on the vintage of the piece fired in. The FMJ type is widely used in both civil and military ammo,and is the only Geneva Convention type legal for use in war. Your C and F possibly could be JHP or JSP bullets,lack of exposed lead at the base would indicate this.

All of these bullets were dug anywhere from 4 to20 inches in the ground.
What books would help identify these old bullets.
They were located in a public park here in Montana in a town dating back
to 1841.
What is unusual is that I found all of these in an area maybe 10 x 10.
Total bullets found totaled,200 plus, different calibers in a time frame of about 3 weeks.

I also found in the same spot the following:

Winchester Repeater No.12
W.R.A..Co
New No. 4
My research shows that the New No. 4 is for the primer.
The "New No. 4" primer in production from -1904-1932.

W.R.A.Co
45-60
W.C.F
in production from -1879–1935


The Creedmoor Cartridge Company of Barberton, Ohio
Headstamp - C -in production from -1892-1894.

Thanks for your help!

 

[crashbandicoot]

All of these bullets were dug anywhere from 4 to20 inches in the ground.
What books would help identify these old bullets.
They were located in a public park here in Montana in a town dating back
to 1841.
What is unusual is that I found all of these in an area maybe 10 x 10.
Total bullets found totaled,200 plus, different calibers in a time frame of about 3 weeks.

I also found in the same spot the following:

Winchester Repeater No.12
W.R.A..Co
New No. 4
My research shows that the New No. 4 is for the primer.
The "New No. 4" primer in production from -1904-1932.

W.R.A.Co
45-60
W.C.F
in production from -1879–1935


The Creedmoor Cartridge Company of Barberton, Ohio
Headstamp - C -in production from -1892-1894.

Thanks for your help!

The bullets you posted don,t correspond to the cartridge cases you found.I don,t know what,s going on with that,but your bullets are of modern design,not black powder era or Civil War,or Indian Wars. The 45-60 case is from the black powder era but doesn,t go with your bullets.An anomaly for which I don,t have an answer.Let me ponder a while! The bullets are not old as bullets go.Your cases are.Again,the bullets don,t go with the cases. To clarify some, a bullet is usually referred to as the part that goes out the barrel when you shoot.The case is the part that is ejected after shooting.A cartridge is the complete round of ammunition prior to loading and shooting. A shotgun cartridge is often called a shell, No.12 refers to 12 Gauge. If all that,s left of a shotgun shell is the brass part it,s often referred to as a headstamp.But headstamp is properly the information stamped into the cartridge case base,such a caliber,maker etc.In one of yours,W.R.A. Co..45-60 W.C.F. is a headstamp indicating Winchester Repeating Arms,45-60 Winchester Center Fire. I told you this is a many faceted hobby,cartridge and bullet identification. Fascinating too.

 

[Tedyoh]

I can date your red bullet "F" to about the year of 2007.
The red coating is what us bullet casters do to our lead cast bullets instead of greasing them to provide lubrication and encapsulating the lead... ...powder coat it....this method only has been going on for about 15 years if I remember correctly

 

[crashbandicoot]

Here,s you a few books you should peruse if you,re serious about bullets and cartridges. Shooters Bible Guide to Cartridges-Sixgun Cartridges and loads-Cartridges of the World-Peters and King-Black Powder and the Old West-Ammo Encyclopedia-From Musket to Metallic Cartridge-Textbook of Pistols and Revolvers-Collecting Shotgun Cartridges-Cartridges for Collectors. A couple websites-gunnewsdaily.com-cartridge-corner.com-cartridgecollectors.org-International Ammunition Association,Inc. Much good reading and info for your bullet and cartridge identification. Hope this helps you!

 

[Montana Treasure]

I can date your red bullet "F" to about the year of 2007.
The red coating is what us bullet casters do to our lead cast bullets instead of greasing them to provide lubrication and encapsulating the lead... ...powder coat it....this method only has been going on for about 15 years if I remember correctly

Hello.
It is actually copper and only looks that way because I cleaned it too much and accidentally removed all of the patina.

 

[crashbandicoot]

Hello.
It is actually copper and only looks that way because I cleaned it too much and accidentally removed all of the patina.

Ever peruse any of that list of books I gave you? Gain the knowledge and ID your own bullets.It,s an exhilirating feeling.

 

[crashbandicoot]

Hello.
It is actually copper and only looks that way because I cleaned it too much and accidentally removed all of the patina.

Since you,re relatively new to the forum,it,s customary and polite to leave a like when someone goes to the trouble of giving you information.Unless of course you don,t like that information.

 

[Montana Treasure]

Since you,re relatively new to the forum,it,s customary and polite to leave a like when someone goes to the trouble of giving you information.Unless of course you don,t like that information.

I am very sorry if I offended anyone,that was not my intention.
Mike

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[crashbandicoot]

I am very sorry if I offended anyone,that was not my intention.
Mike

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No offense,just a heads up for you.

 

[Montana Treasure]

No offense,just a heads up for you.

Thanks

 

[crashbandicoot]

Thanks

Muy Bueno,Amigo!