Has Anyone Decrypted Beale???

[Rebel - KGC]

And swap tales, around the camp fire; the stories, I could tell you... HA!

 

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[wacouta]

I should have said take out the odd and keep the even and then you see 4 steps in the numbers and there is a math manipulation to get gold. the first number is
?x2-2=12 and the answer was 7 7 is g

I haven't totally given up on the treasure;
richard belfield's book say's the signature on the pamphlet is "Thos Jeffn Beale" which is a clue to the key. Then I thought maybe the missing letters could mean something;
ma-erso which could be a book by Ovid "Amores" (you never know!)

 

[releventchair]

And swap tales, around the camp fire; the stories, I could tell you... HA!

Hmm, i,d have to bust out homemade grape,apple or dandelion,solve code and forget it in same night. no shortage of tales would be sure bet.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Hmm, i,d have to bust out homemade grape,apple or dandelion,solve code and forget it in same night. no shortage of tales would be sure bet.

HA! Dandelion Wine is GREAT! My dad made some, once... HIC!

 

[Rebel - KGC]

ANYWAY... just got a book, CODEBREAKER: THE HISTORY OF SECRET COMMUNICATION by Stephen Pincock that looks interesting; EAP's THE GOLD BUG is alluded to & the GRAHAM MAGAZINE Ciphers, he did... with NUMBERS! Monoalphabetic Substitution Cipher? Polyalphabetic? Public KEY Encrytion (PKE)? The BEALE PAPERS is included on pg 84-85; "BP" was written/released in 1884/85... LOL!

 

[Rebel - KGC]

1885... by then EAP (novelist/poet "obsessed" with ciphers) COULD have "influenced" a story with mysterious ciphers; the word, "stampede" COULD have been used (the KEY?); a CONFEDERATE WAR "mystery"? MAYBE!

 

[Kentucky Kache]

The word, "stampede" could have been used in Beale's day, too. Words are used in the vernacular long before they are used in print. In other words, authors would not use words that people didn't know the meaning of.

 

[releventchair]

BEALE spelling in french pronounced, bay,A,ahh,l(elle),A. Yet run together sound like bay a la. A la means at the. Elle is she,her or it. Were certain french involved with people not fluent but getting there, mixing common french heard repeatedly with English, i get its at the bay. Or ,bay A at the.
Goading anyone to open anything?heh,heh.

 

[releventchair]

Unintelligible again,then i,ll leave it alone. Coffee shakes long way coming . Play on words with french comes from what is heard. Not my joke,nor very funny but one old one is one egg. Un ouef (sp.). Pronounced en ough, the play being enough is enough. Or one egg is plenty. Not quite a knee slapper. Now back to BEALE play. BAY in previous post. Were one to listen to someone recite alphabet in French one would hear familiar sounds on some. Others like wxyz would be head scratchers. Sounding out letters of bay sounds close enough to three words. That's just toying with first letter in Beale. France had a dog in most conflicts here,language heard and used. Some of the words heard and how they were written so unrelated they could be put to good use for a code,unless no faith influence would continue. Bilingual folk still around though. I would need to relearn it. So..a few letters in one language regardless of what they spell can sound like a sentence in another. Three letters on a rock could say alot when heard. Would be rough on a computer!.

 

[wacouta]

I meant just use the even numbers 12,2,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,6,6,6
and then;
what number multiplied by 2 and the total of that subtract 2 is equal to one of the numbers ie 12
7x 2=14 -2=12

but I found a new idea
Richard Belfield's book says the signature is the clue to the key
Thos Jeffn Beale Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence
but is their a secret clue in the missing letters?
ma-erso ? Amores is a book by Ovid that is my next project

 

[releventchair]

Not looking at a blood connection. But at dealings with those who spoke it. Looking at codes,and i,m speculating here,jesuits hard act to follow. A take from them plausible. Such as an eye above r.d.. we are given the "look" from the eye, regarde. Look where? Scroll through r words till devant, "before as in in front". Replace r.d. letters with roman numerals and toughen it up a little. Beale had to encounter french speaking people, from here and internationally. I,m mindful more than deposits numbering three possible,also of trails north. Would you trust entire ball of wax to one code?.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Don't put ALL yer eggs in one basket, eh?

 

[releventchair]

Oui,oui.

 

[wacouta]

I think you are right about the same key just a different way ;
I looked at which letters he used in the first 200 numbers and these are eyeballed numbers so they aren't perfect .

Letter #1 #2 #3 total in first 200
T 17 32 40 48
A 11 15 18 24
O 11 10 10 15
S 6 8 7 12
E 8 9 8 10
P 4 6 5 9

Well it seems he must have done the location first and solved one second and inheriters 3rd ? and like you say there is a big difference in the useage pattern but what does that point to?

 

[wacouta]

Now that you mention the odd numbers, I know this is not anything but a coincidence, but OOAEEEEE and the next letters in the code HPPAW
Will give you E A POE, E A POE, WHE

 

[wacouta]

Sorry if I'm double posting I'm still trying to figure out how to communicate!
Now that you mention it, the odd numbers withe the next letters in the code (OOAEEEEE AND HPPAW)
spell E. A. POE, E. A. POE, HE W

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Hmmm... the BEALE PAPERS was written/released in 1885; COULD be SOME EA Poe "influence"... DUNNO.

 

[wacouta]

I posted that maybe the missing letters were a clue in the signature "Thos Jeffn Beale" and it might be the book Amores by Ovid. This can't be the book , it has too many "q"
I got the book at the library Loeb classics translated by Grant Showerman. Anyway here is the first lines
"Arms and the violent deeds of war, I was making ready to sound forth - in weighty numbers, with matter suited to the measure. The second verse was equal to the first- but Cupid they say with a laugh stole away one foot"
basically the first line is 6 feet and the second is 5. 520(#1) divided by 5 =104 763(#2) divided by 6 is 127 and one remainder 104 x 6 is 624 but #3 is 617? I just thought I'd throw it out there??

 

[wacouta]

Hmmm... the BEALE PAPERS was written/released in 1885; COULD be SOME EA Poe "influence"... DUNNO.

I'm not sure what this means , but I applied the same thing to both #1 and #3 using the Amores idea and this is what came out;

#3 , N I C I L A T N T A A S J D L T B A T P E R A T R T P T B T S B S ? E T
# 1, C T S ? A T N T ? N T G S G H T E T F A O T T F G C M M O I T T I P T T

Seems like a lot of similaritys

 

[wacouta]

I'm not sure what this means , but I applied the same thing to both #1 and #3 using the Amores idea and this is what came out;

#3 , N I C I L A T N T A A S J D L T B A T P E R A T R T P T B T S B S ? E T
# 1, C T S ? A T N T ? N T G S G H T E T F A O T T F G C M M O I T T I P T T

Seems like a lot of similaritys

I just realized that the first 12 letters in#3 say "c is in Atlanta" jumbled up?
I hope my cousin in Atlanta is reading this , GW in Tennesee also!