Hanging Cross / Symbolism??

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The double-headed eagle with the crown above has been part of the Coat of Arms of many countries and the Holy Roman Empire. Here's a site that shows many of these 'eagled' Coats of Arms; perhaps you can ID one of them as similar to yours.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-headed_eagle
 

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Nick Pappagiorgio said:
mojax did you just get this piece ...

Let's say around August 29th ... ???
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Nope , we got it at a "tailgait'' auction upcountry about 12 years ago . It's been hanging on our porch ever since - Aug 29th ?...... what do you mean ?
 

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I'm not sure what he's all about ?
 

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Noblemen beheaded by the sword....commoners with the axe......maybe the head in hand is a mask...maybe not......maybe this has to do with Thomas Paine ,because of the eagles .......I dont think John the baptist because of the style of clothing.....
 

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Mackaydon said:
Are there any marks on this cross (front or back) like letters, words, 'mintmarks', etc.?
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No .
 

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Interesting and very cool.
Mojjax, I do admire your skills in finding 'fings' :toothy4:
I'm looking forward to the ID of this.

Mike
 

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I love arcane symbolism and and teh challenge of decoding it.
At first I thought the figure at the top was holding a scythe, but in seeing the close up it doesn't appear to be a scythe. The head he is holding could be John the Baptist, if however the figure appeared to be of one of the religous orders that reveered John the Basptist. This does not appear to be a religous order, he is smiling instead of in penitance. I would guess that it's fraternal rather than religous.
 

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wow Nick your a cut above the rest Way A head of me!! :o
 

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Nick Pappagiorgio said:
DJ_Quinn said:
I love arcane symbolism and and teh challenge of decoding it.
At first I thought the figure at the top was holding a scythe, but in seeing the close up it doesn't appear to be a scythe. The head he is holding could be John the Baptist, if however the figure appeared to be of one of the religous orders that reveered John the Basptist. This does not appear to be a religous order, he is smiling instead of in penitance. I would guess that it's fraternal rather than religous.
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I think the smiling would be more in order ... After all I would hardly call Herod Antipas "penitent" ... Plus the fact the beheading went on at a party ...

"The biblical account portrays the beheading of Saint John the Baptist by Herod Antipas.[1] According to the Synoptic Gospels, Herod had imprisoned John because he reproved Herod for divorcing his wife (Phasaelis), and unlawfully taking his brother Herod Philip I's wife, Herodias. On Herod's birthday, Herodias' daughter (traditionally named Salome) danced before the king and his guests. Her dancing pleased Herod so much that in his drunkenness he promised to give her anything she desired, up to half of his kingdom. When the daughter asked her mother what she should request, she was told to ask for the head of John the Baptist on a platter."

As far as "dress" is concerned I think it is represented in proper Byzantine fashion ... Here are 2 examples of "dress" & the head of John the Baptist ... May I add relevance ~ It depends on who designed the piece ... There are tons of differing examples of dress for the depiction of the beheading of John the Baptist ...






I am going back to my original theory of this being the head of John the Baptist ...

Who is cutting ... Who knows ...

~ Nick ~

PS More clothing ...




PSS I could be way off on this ~ However I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night ... :tongue3:
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Interesting Nick, nice research. A few religous sects were known to venerate the severed head, the Templars for instance. I hope we get this one cracked, (not the head, the arcadia).
 

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What is in this guys other hand?

To me it looks like something is pouring from his ear into his hand or a cup in his hand. Maybe he is a character from some folk tale or something...

Personally, I don't see any religious overtones in this piece. I think the cross shape is simply functional design.

DCMatt
 

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Ramitt said:
I believe he is holding the Scimitar he cut the head off with.
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I don't think so. There is so much detail on the rest of the piece and nothing (to me) to indicate the curve from his hand to his ear is any kind of a sword.

Could it simply be showing the motion of his hand? I don't know, I'm just trying to keep the thread from suffering "group think".

DCMatt
 

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DCMatt said:
Ramitt said:
I believe he is holding the Scimitar he cut the head off with.
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I don't think so. There is so much detail on the rest of the piece and nothing (to me) to indicate the curve from his hand to his ear is any kind of a sword.

Could it simply be showing the motion of his hand? I don't know, I'm just trying to keep the thread from suffering "group think".

DCMatt
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So Matt ... Do you think it's a head or a mask ...in the other hand ... ???

The dress if the man seems to be "Greek" or "Sicilian" they are very close ...

The double headed eagles are definite Byzantine and the "wheels" look like greek or sicilain wagon wheels ...
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Nick,

My first thought, before reading any responses, was that this guy is a dancer or actor who just unmasked himself.

I hadn't considered Greek. Maybe it's a tragedy mask...

DCMatt
 

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i'm sure this is not going to be a popular post BUT I see the Fool in the tarot deck as the main character...with a few creative liberties:)
 

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Mithras...perhaps?

I mention this because in the mobile I see the sun and not wheels.

Oh, and the eagles represent Scorpio?
 

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The double headed eagle or falcon is also used on the flag of Serbia. The wheels are similar to the Dharmacakra or Dharma wheel. Wish i could be of more help. Cool piece though!
 

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I would have thought the combination of the equal-armed cross and the double-headed eagles suggest a background in the Orthodox church, either Greek or Russian. St John the Baptist is usually depicted dressed in rags and carrying a lamb, rather than his head. This figure appears to be in stylized armour, so I would look for a martyred soldier saint revered by the Orthodox church.
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