Hammered Cob antique find

[thebmasur]

I did not dig this coin so I’m not sure if it belongs here mods please remove if it doesn’t. I found this coin in a huge box of old coins at an antique shop today. Any coin you want for $5. I’m hoping someone could identify it. I’m not well versed in hammered coins so I’m not sure what origin it stems from or its age. Any info would be greatly appreciated!!

 

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[Diver_Down]

Well, it is not Spanish. Perhaps someone else will offer insight or move the post where it would get more visibility. Perhaps in the What Is It? forum.

 

[thebmasur]

Well, it is not Spanish. Perhaps someone else will offer insight or move the post where it would get more visibility. Perhaps in the What Is It? forum.

Good idea thank you! I don’t know much about coins like this so I wasn’t sure if it was Spanish or not.

 

[A2coins]

looks ancient

 

[cuzcosquirrel]

It's probably a denaro of the Italian state of Parma, or Florence. The front resembles a Farnese family coin, with the s from "sanctvs." The reading DUX ET is "duke and." Parma uses six fleur de leis, sometime in a reduced form, that look more like pellets. Florence uses several pellets in their chief.


Parma had several pretenders to the dutchy, and it is probably one of those. Parma was sometimes ruled conjointly with another province or county, and this might be the reason for the "ET" in the inscription. Late 1500's, early 1600's probably.

 

[trdking]

...and here I thought it was the Massachusetts 1652 lollipop tree 6 pence that everyone gets all excited about

 

[cuzcosquirrel]

Closest I've got is Odoardo Farnese 1622 from part of the legend. But there is a coin from Clemente the 7th, which has the same pellet design in a shield (1523). Chances are it had a picture of the Virgin Mary one side, and the shield/bush on the other with the pellets. Go to the bottom of this page and look at the illustrations.

Bollettino di Numismatica OnLine - Studi e Ricerche

 

[cuzcosquirrel]

Just add that the 6 pellets is the Medici family coat of arms, of which there were several branches. A silver Denaro or Grosso. Sometimes Florence and Parma were members of the Papal States and the keys and crown symbol of the Vatican was placed over the shield. The figure on the obvers is obliterated but could have been one of several themes that seemed to have been used, and could have been Saint Peter or Saint Sebastian.

 

[Mackaydon]

Closest I can get is:
COSMUS II MAG DVX ETR IIIIUT TESTIMO NIV PERHIBEREBUST FACING RIGHT / BEHEADING OF ST JOHN
(One or the other example; scroll down)
Source: http://www.rhinocoins.com/ITALY/TOSCANA/COSII.HTML
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