Gunning Granny Goes Out In A Blaze Of Glory In Gun Fight With Three Thugs

[NHBandit]

Yes, this woman was killed for standing up for herself.
So you think its just better to cower down and let these thugs just get what they want? Is that really a good message to send?

The only way things are going to get better is putting the fear into these idiots. I seriously doubt it will ever go away.

But if it were MY choice to stand up for myself and what I believe in, you can damn well bet i will be pulling a gun.

If by chance i lose my life?, then my family will have to accept my choices of not being a coward.

I'm pretty sure this Country wasnt founded on cowering down to problems that arise

Well said ! Personally I'm not responding to the Florida dude anymore because he makes up things he "thinks" I said but I wonder if his comparison of the different versions of how this CRIME went down differ on the facts that really matter ? The woman was being robbed... by 3 thugs... Those are the facts. If some of the media dramatizes it with crap like "woman goes out in a blaze of gunfire" so be it. That's what the media does. But how they report it does NOT change the meat of the story. She has the right to decide whether to make a stand and defend herself or to be a victim. So what if the odds were against her. So what if some hokey statistics show that she "might" have survived if she complied. It was her right to choose how to react to violent criminals. KEY word.. "criminals".. yet these clueless blowhards try to make it the old woman's fault that she's dead.. We weren't there. We don't know how the thugs were acting. She made the judgement call to fight back and it's her RIGHT to do that. These lame apologists would giggle like school girls if they could find a version of the story that says the old woman was trying to rob the poor underprivileged little Black choir boys. Tried to steal their lunch money & their X-box and they shot her in self defense...Makes me want to puke. Disclaimer... my comments are not directed at any one particular individual because that would be an insult and insulting other members is against the rules...

 

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[TheCoinKid]

Guess I'm in the minority here. I'm a staunch supporter of second amendment rights who also believes that discretion is the better part of valor.

 

[Jim in Idaho]

Guess I'm in the minority here. I'm a staunch supporter of second amendment rights who also believes that discretion is the better part of valor.

There's no valor in rolling over with your feet in the air.
Jim

 

[NHBandit]

Guess I'm in the minority here. I'm a staunch supporter of second amendment rights who also believes that discretion is the better part of valor.

Nothing at all wrong with you feeling that way. You're most certainly entitled to your opinion. That's that pesky "freedom of speech" part of the Constitution. My only point was that it was the old woman's right to choose to take a stand or to take her chances that they would leave if she gave up her money. It's not for you or I or anyone else to decide. That's how we do stuff here and the libtards are trying to take that right away from us. By taking away her right to own a gun and use it to defend herself if she so chooses it puts ALL the power in the hands of the criminals because they will always have guns. Take the "knockout game" as an example. Why do you suppose the young punks are going after the elderly ? It's simple really. Because they are a bunch of scared little boys trying to act like toughguys. Why risk getting your a$$ handed to you by a strong young White kid when you can cut the odds by punching grandma....

 

[TheCoinKid]

All I'm saying is pick your battles and live to fight another day.

 

[TheCoinKid]

Nothing at all wrong with you feeling that way. You're most certainly entitled to your opinion. That's that pesky "freedom of speech" part of the Constitution. My only point was that it was the old woman's right to choose to take a stand or to take her chances that they would leave if she gave up her money. It's not for you or I or anyone else to decide. That's how we do stuff here and the libtards are trying to take that right away from us. By taking away her right to own a gun and use it to defend herself if she so chooses it puts ALL the power in the hands of the criminals because they will always have guns.

Again. I can't disagree with anything you've said here. Earlier in this thread, I acknowledged her right to do what she did and stated that I respect her for it.

 

[Diggin-N-Dumps]

All I'm saying is pick your battles and live to fight another day.

"Live to fight another day"...An Elderly woman was being attacked....this was her "Other Day"...

I totally understand where you are coming from and thou it differs my personal opinions , I still respect yours.

 

[Dave44]

Guess I'm in the minority here. I'm a staunch supporter of second amendment rights who also believes that discretion is the better part of valor.

So far, In this country, it is your right to apply your beliefs to your actions. I agree with most of the others on this, Who is to say that if she gave her money to them the assault would end?
Many committed leftists try to make every issue into a statistical surety of outcomes. That simplistic reasoning is the impetus behind the delusional one size fits all legislation they champion, BOcare, 2nd Amendment, you name it.

If you look at a statistical curve, In just about anything, there are anomalies, and complete outliers that are thrown out, they don't fit the line.
This Curve( becuase it is very hard to find a straight line correlation) is thrown way off track when you factor in Human response.
Looks like this source of irritation is trying to be educated out of humanity in this country though.It may be helping to cause some wild variations in interactions and violence. Keep your eyes peeled!(IMO)

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

All I'm saying is pick your battles and live to fight another day.

Problem is when you surrender your right to defend your self you are at the thugs mercy. I can easily post cases of rape committed during a robbery, I posted 1 above where a little boy was shot in the face and killed during a robbery because his mother didn't have any money when they tried to rob her.

People seem to think robbers are honorable theives, they are low life thugs.





We will NOT go quietly into the night!

 

[Old Bookaroo]

NHBandit:

I missed this part: "...yet these clueless blowhards try to make it the old woman's fault that she's dead."

Speaking of just making stuff up: "These lame apologists would giggle like school girls if they could find a version of the story that says the old woman was trying to rob the poor underprivileged little Black choir boys. Tried to steal their lunch money & their X-box and they shot her in self defense..."

Trying to put words into the posts of others. Bring race into it. Use "girls" as an insult. Makes me want to puke.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

 

[Native Floridian]

Yes, this woman was killed for standing up for herself.
So you think its just better to cower down and let these thugs just get what they want? Is that really a good message to send?

The only way things are going to get better is putting the fear into these idiots. I seriously doubt it will ever go away.

But if it were MY choice to stand up for myself and what I believe in, you can damn well bet i will be pulling a gun.

If by chance i lose my life?, then my family will have to accept my choices of not being a coward.

I'm pretty sure this Country wasnt founded on cowering down to problems that arise

No, this woman was killed for pulling a gun and being second best shot.

Interesting take. And you have people who agree with you.

Yes, that's what i'm saying. In this case, this type of situation the numbers don't lie. You are better off just cowering down (as you put it) and letting the thugs take what they are after. Your one and only job in this situation is to survive. Period! The statistics tell us our best chance of surviving is by offering no resistance. They do so by an overwhelming margin.

Now I understand from your use of the word cower and in your aggrandizement of the situation to one of national pride that your ego won't let you do that. You've confused doing the smart thing with cowardice. There is no answer for that other than law enforcement disagrees with your answer.

lastly, though you believe that giving up is cowardice, history is full of examples where doing just that was the smart move. it's called live to fight another day.

 

[NHBandit]

NHBandit:

I missed this part: "...yet these clueless blowhards try to make it the old woman's fault that she's dead."

Speaking of just making stuff up: "These lame apologists would giggle like school girls if they could find a version of the story that says the old woman was trying to rob the poor underprivileged little Black choir boys. Tried to steal their lunch money & their X-box and they shot her in self defense..."

Trying to put words into the posts of others. Bring race into it. Use "girls" as an insult. Makes me want to puke.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

These are MY personal opinions. I am entitled to have an opinion based on what I read even if it's different from yours. People commenting that if she hadn't done this or that she might be alive sure sounds to me like the blame is being diverted into her court rather than the thugs who robbed her. Show me where I directly quoted someone and was incorrect. Still denying that a large majority of these attacks are racially motivated huh ? You are entitled to your opinion as well. If you took the "clueless blowhard" or the "lame apologists" comments personally there's nothing I can do about that... I didn't name names. Elderly people being beat up, robbed and murdered upsets me. If it dosn't upset someone else that's their problem not mine.. If I see someone doing this crap it will end with them having a .40 caliber hole in their head. Have a good day.

 

[Native Floridian]

Well said ! Personally I'm not responding to the Florida dude anymore because he makes up things he "thinks" I said but I wonder if his comparison of the different versions of how this CRIME went down differ on the facts that really matter ? The woman was being robbed... by 3 thugs... Those are the facts. If some of the media dramatizes it with crap like "woman goes out in a blaze of gunfire" so be it. That's what the media does. But how they report it does NOT change the meat of the story. She has the right to decide whether to make a stand and defend herself or to be a victim. So what if the odds were against her. So what if some hokey statistics show that she "might" have survived if she complied. It was her right to choose how to react to violent criminals. KEY word.. "criminals".. yet these clueless blowhards try to make it the old woman's fault that she's dead.. We weren't there. We don't know how the thugs were acting. She made the judgement call to fight back and it's her RIGHT to do that. These lame apologists would giggle like school girls if they could find a version of the story that says the old woman was trying to rob the poor underprivileged little Black choir boys. Tried to steal their lunch money & their X-box and they shot her in self defense...Makes me want to puke. Disclaimer... my comments are not directed at any one particular individual because that would be an insult and insulting other members is against the rules...

Except your post is directed against me and saying it isn't doesn't change that. But feel free to attack me for posting stats that show we are better off letting the thugs take what they want in these situations. I get it this is a pro gun thread!

BTW, while she may have contributed to her own death by pulling that gun, i posted that i don't fault her for doing so.

 

[NHBandit]

Except your post is directed against me and saying it isn't doesn't change that. But feel free to attack me for posting stats that show we are better off letting the thugs take what they want in these situations. I get it this is a pro gun thread!

BTW, while she may have contributed to her own death by pulling that gun, i posted that i don't fault her for doing so.

My very first sentence explaining to folks why I would rather not respond to your comments was directed towards you. The rest were general comments made to nobody in particular and I made that clear. ps... you're doing it again...

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

No, this woman was killed for pulling a gun and being second best shot.

Interesting take. And you have people who agree with you.

Yes, that's what i'm saying. In this case, this type of situation the numbers don't lie. You are better off just cowering down (as you put it) and letting the thugs take what they are after. Your one and only job in this situation is to survive. Period! The statistics tell us our best chance of surviving is by offering no resistance. They do so by an overwhelming margin.

Now I understand from your use of the word cower and in your aggrandizement of the situation to one of national pride that your ego won't let you do that. You've confused doing the smart thing with cowardice. There is no answer for that other than law enforcement disagrees with your answer.

lastly, though you believe that giving up is cowardice, history is full of examples where doing just that was the smart move. it's called live to fight another day.

She was shot twice, once in arm, once in stomach, shot outside her home in front of her carport. She was not shot in any vital organs but expired from heavy bleeding.


I am just curious why some are assuming she fired first and not after being shot by the thugs. Since there are no whitnesses other than the scum thugs who have not said anything.

I guess some are assuming the granny, being an law abiding armed citizen, must have fired first since surely the honorable thugs wouldn't do such a thing....



We will NOT go quietly into the night!

 

[Old Bookaroo]

native floridian:

That's how Gen. Washington won the Revolution. I'm sure you've read "He never won a battle. He just won the war."

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

 

[njal]

There is no answer for that other than law enforcement disagrees with your answer.

.

How is it you can speak for all Police Dept.? Are you in Law Enforcement?
I have see plenty of sheriffs Dept . In the American states that is not Jersey,
encouraging there citizens to be armed.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

How is it you can speak for all Police Dept.? Are you in Law Enforcement?
I have see plenty of sheriffs Dept . In the American states that is not Jersey,
encouraging there citizens to be armed.

I have talked to at least 15- 20 LEO in Florida this last year and asked their opinions on law abiding citizens being armed.

All basically said same thing, they perfer citizens are armed and the majority perfer open carry over conceal carry as it deters crime even more...

We will NOT go quietly into the night!

 

[L.C. BAKER]

You were right about the coffee.....OMG! LMAO! They should send this guy to high schools to give motivational speeches!

L.C............................

 

[Diggin-N-Dumps]

No, this woman was killed for pulling a gun and being second best shot.

Interesting take. And you have people who agree with you.

Yes, that's what i'm saying. In this case, this type of situation the numbers don't lie. You are better off just cowering down (as you put it) and letting the thugs take what they are after. Your one and only job in this situation is to survive. Period! The statistics tell us our best chance of surviving is by offering no resistance. They do so by an overwhelming margin.

Now I understand from your use of the word cower and in your aggrandizement of the situation to one of national pride that your ego won't let you do that. You've confused doing the smart thing with cowardice. There is no answer for that other than law enforcement disagrees with your answer.

lastly, though you believe that giving up is cowardice, history is full of examples where doing just that was the smart move. it's called live to fight another day.

Some people are leaders....Some people are followers....We all have our roles in this world. I really could careless about Statistics

You mention your one Job is Survival......How are you supposed to know that everything is going to be Alright once they have what they want...Oh...Statistics right?....Well unless those "Statistics" are at 100%...Then I will do what I need to protect myself

and you mention "Live to fight another Day"....Im glad there are so many people on here that somehow knew what the outcome WOULD have been if she didnt take action.....Oh yea...Statistics again I guess..Magic numbers that tell the outcome of people lives