Gun control measures approved by N.J. Assembly committee despite protests

[Red James Cash]

Gun control measures approved by N.J. Assembly committee despite protests

By Matt Friedman/The Star-Ledger
on February 13, 2013 at 6:03 PM, updated February 14, 2013 at 12:18 PM

An overflow crowd of gun-rights advocates clashed with Democratic lawmakers today during a raucous seven-hour hearing as an Assembly committee approved 20 bills that further restrict access to firearms and ammunition.

The Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee approved the laundry list of measures despite some outbursts from a throng dotted with NRA baseball caps, camouflage clothing and jackets featuring a coiled rattlesnake from the Revolutionary-era flag. At least two in the audience were ejected.

The lengthy hearing marked the opening round of what promises to be an election-year battle in New Jersey. Democrats have been critical of Gov. Chris Christie’s reticence on gun control, and are well aware that statewide polls that show a majority of residents favor more stringent measures in the wake of the massacre in Sandy Hook, Conn., that left 20 elementary school children dead.


"This plan … is surely a knee-jerk reaction that doesn’t even come close to touching the real issue that’s behind the death and destruction," said Helene Henkel, a Middletown resident active in conservative causes. "Let’s not put more bogus laws on the books. We should be cleaning up the books."

Gun-rights advocates turned out by the hundreds to confront the Democrat-led committee, packing the hearing room and booing when they thought they weren’t being taken seriously. The crowd also spilled out of a room intended for the overflow, and many gathered outside the Statehouse to protest.

But the show of force did not sway Democrats, who voted to send the bills to the full Assembly for a vote next week. Senate Majority Leader Loretta Weinberg (D-Bergen) said she was working to shepherd the bills through her chamber, although it was not clear whether the Senate will take up all the measures.

The legislation, intended bolster New Jersey’s strict gun laws, ranged from reducing the maximum capacity of magazines from 15 to 10 (A1329) to a symbolic resolution urging Congress to enact more gun-control measures (A3797).

"Whether it’s the streets of New Jersey communities, a movie theater in Colorado or an elementary school in Connecticut, enough is enough is enough," said the committee chairman, Charles Mainor (D-Hudson). "No more talk. It’s time for action."

Other bills would require ammunition sales to be conducted in person (A3645), disqualify those included on the federal terrorist watch list from buying guns (A3687) and require the seizure of guns from people who mental health professional deem a threat to themselves or others (A3754).

Republicans generally voted against the measures, although Assemblyman Sean Kean (R-Monmouth) supported several. Conversely, most Democrats voted in favor of the measures. Yet splitting with his colleagues, Assemblyman Nelson Albano (D-Cumberland) joined Republicans to vote against most of the bills.

The committee unanimously approved one bill both sides agreed on — the codification of regulations banning the public release of gun owners’ information (A3788), a response to a controversial move by a Westchester County, N.Y., newspaper to publish a map of the homes of gun owners.

The crowd grew rowdy early in the day, reflecting frustration and the sense that gun-rights advocates were being shown less courtesy. Nevertheless, dozens testified — often passionately and peppered with applause from the audience.

Nicholas Purpura, a chaplain and tea party activist from Wall, said the measures would punish law-abiding New Jerseyans at the expense of criminals, who wouldn’t heed the law anyway.

"You’re tying our hands," Purpura said, adding that the committee members were "hypocrites" who should be removed from office.

"You are guilty," he said. "The blood of the innocent people and the children is on your hands."

But while gun-rights advocates far outnumbered those in favor of more stringent measures, some reminded the audience that polling showed that was not the case throughout the state.

"I want to remind everyone this is a loud crowd behind us, but there’s lots of polling out there that shows this is representative of a tiny minority of New Jerseyans," said Bryan Miller, executive director of Heeding God’s Call, which he described as a faith-based, violence-prevention organization.

Democrats pointed to Republicans’ no votes and abstentions, especially on a bill to ban those on the terrorist watch list from buying guns. "This bill in my mind brings up memories of the 1950s and Hollywood and the witch hunt that went on with the people regarding communism," said Alison Littell McHose (R-Sussex).

Assemblyman Joseph Cryan (D-Union) said he was "flabbergasted" by McHose’s comment. "To say there’s a conspiracy, there’s McCarthyism, there’s other things — you’ve got to be kidding me," Cryan said.

 

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[Treasure_Hunter]

The good news is the N.J. Senate is contolled by Republicans, hopeully they will stop the Liberal Democract attack on their rights.....

 

[grimreaper012879]

i say deport all them obummers right to kenya

 

[jerseyben]

i say deport all them obummers right to kenya

Unbelievable...

 

[Red James Cash]

i say deport all them obummers right to kenya

The arctic circle is better

 

[markmopar]

The good news is the N.J. Senate is contolled by Republicans, hopeully they will stop the Liberal Democract attack on their rights.....

Nope. 24 Dem to 16 Rep.

 

[0121stockpicker]

i say deport all them obummers right to kenya

Are you for real?

 

[0121stockpicker]

disqualify those included on the federal terrorist watch list from buying guns (A3687) and require the seizure of guns from people who mental health professional deem a threat to themselves or others (A3754)

Are these bills that progunners people would actually oppose? Disqualifying people on the terrorist watch list?? Pro gun people want folks on the terrorist watch list to have guns?? I guess I just don't get that?

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Nope. 24 Dem to 16 Rep.

Your correct, after checking back it was an old link I pulled up, your count is correct....

 

[Red James Cash]

Are these bills that progunners people would actually oppose? Disqualifying people on the terrorist watch list?? Pro gun people want folks on the terrorist watch list to have guns?? I guess I just don't get that?

Think about it stockpicker,you can be on the watch list for nothing more than having a Ron Paul bumper sticker on your car.In addition any of the below can land you on the watch list.

Airport Service Providers -- Includes on-craft providers: baggage, cleaners, cargo, catering, mechanics, ground crew, food service, cleaners, security, taxi, limos, and shuttles.
Beauty/Drug Suppliers -- People who have burn marks, missing limbs, travel a long distance, nervous, who are picked up, make illogical requests (even of consumer-grade products).
Bulk Fuel Distributors -- New customers not from the area, those using cash for large transactions, nervous, large purchases, having a rental vehicle.
Construction Sites -- People with environmental slogans and/or anti-government slogans, banners or signs that threaten or imply violence.
Dive/Boat Shops -- New customers reluctant to provide complete personal information, customer who does not have certification, using cash for expensive transactions, extended rentals, appearing uninterested in safety rules, experiencing guarded behavior.
Electronics Stores -- Person who alters appearance from visit to visit (changing hair color, shaving, etc.), fills a "shopping list" of components while lacking knowledge about their use. Pays cash for large purchases.
Farm Supply Stores -- New customers not from the area, nervous or impatient, suspicious inquiries regarding equipment specifications, failing to state legitimate use for supplies, rental vehicle, cash for large transactions.
Financial Institutions -- No evidence for legitimate business activity, those with multiple accounts, banks, parties, and jurisdictions (layering). Mixed deposits (money orders, third-party checks, and/or payroll into a business account). Large volume of wire transfers, or repetitive patterns, shell entities, "pass through" points by foreign jurisdictions.
General Aviation -- Taking flying lessons but appear uninterested, renting under vague reasons for doing so, requests to fly over specific locations without substantiated reason, taking pictures or videos of potentially sensitive locations, actions outside the norm, parking near the perimeter of airport, asking questions without substantiation.
General Public -- Basically everything exhibited by those with an inquisitive nature: questions, note taking, drawing, annotating maps, inappropriate photos or videos, people in places where they do not belong.
Hobby Shops -- Interest in remote-controlled aircraft, interest that does not seem genuine, possessing little knowledge of purchase, exhibiting unusual interest, exhibiting no interest, using cash for large transactions.
Home Improvement and Large Retail Stores -- Large quantity of ammunition, firearms and ammunition out of season, combination of unusual items, interest in night vision and camouflage apparel, purchases of pipe fittings and supplies, rental vehicle, refusal to complete firearms paperwork, using cash for large transactions.
Hotels/Motels -- There is an excellent discussion of this section in Michael Snyder's recent article.
Internet Cafes -- There is an excellent discussion of this section in Michael Snyder's recent article.
Shopping Malls -- Wearing backpacks, discreet use of cameras, note-taking, or video over an extended period, several men arriving together then splitting up, continuing to communicate (dry run?), speaking to security guards, comments regarding radical theology, vague or cryptic warnings, or anti-U.S. sentiments that appear out of place and provocative.
Martial Arts/Paintball -- Insist on paying with cash, travels long distance to participate, interest in learning offensive moves in a confined space, learning the use of hidden weapons, learning kill and restraint techniques with no occupational need, group training, uttering racist, religious, unusual, anti-US, or vague and cryptic warnings, close combat training, paintball tactics of ambush or kidnapping scenarios, operating a private facility, converting large plots of rural land to conduct these activities.
Mass Transportation -- Altering one's appearance, exhibiting burns, bleached body hair, concealed wires, nervous, actions suggesting use of a hidden camera, unusual comments, questioning security/facility personnel via normal means of communication, groups arriving together then splitting up and communicating via cell phone.
Military Surplus -- Demanding identity privacy, insisting on paying with cash, suspicious comments, bulk purchases.
Peroxide Explosives -- Unknown customer, individual requesting more information.
Recognizing Sleepers -- Arrival from countries where violent militant Islamic groups are known to operate, long unexplained absences, fury at the West for reasons ranging from personal problems to global policies of the U.S., conspiracy theories about Westerners (e.g. the CIA arranged for 9/11 to legitimize the invasion of foreign lands), accusing the West of trying to destroy Islam.
Rental Cars -- Reluctance to provide complete personal information, using cash, unusual questions.
Rental Properties -- Using cash for large transactions, inquiries about local sites, refusing maintenance or service over extended time, not using property for intended purpose, unusual number of package deliveries, unusual amounts of traffic, discovery of unusual items.
Rental Trucks -- Reluctance to provide personal information, cash for large transactions, inquiries about renting a truck with a wooden floor, questions about vehicle specifications.
Storage Facilities -- Failing to provide complete personal information, using cash to pay fees in advance, placing unusual items in storage, disposing of tools, gloves, masks, or clothing, discarding clothes or shoes in new condition, avoiding contact with rental facility personnel, accessing facility an unusual number of times, storing items that emit unusual odors or leak liquids.
Tattoo Shops -- Demanding identity "privacy," paying cash, altering appearance (beard, hair style, hair color, style of dress, etc.), making racist or extreme statements, suspicious comments that suggest or appear to endorse violence in support of a cause, repeated returns with multiple individuals requesting identical tattoos, inquiries about unusual methods of tattooing or placement which could allow the concealment of extremist symbols.

These flyers also state an additional note about how you can be a part of the solution:

Require a valid ID of all new customers.
Keep records of purchases.
Talk to customers, ask questions, and listen to and observe their responses.
Make note of suspicious statements, people and/or vehicles.
If something seems wrong, notify law enforcement authorities.

As a former store owner in one of the categories above (and a martial arts practitioner), I suggest that you completely disregard the suggestions of these reports. Instead, I would urge common sense, reliance upon your innate "gut instincts" that nature has provided as a tool to determine what is truly wrong beyond these catch-all guidelines. And, lastly, realize that preventing terrorism is not a "community effort" under the direction of bloated bureaucrats and their overlords. Preventing terrorism, whether State-sponsored via false flag or legitimate, should be the role of each individual's power of discernment. It's more efficient, more honest, and more effective.

It is the utmost duty of individuals to speak out against unsubstantiated fear mongering and the usurpation of power based on upon exaggerated threats. These exaggerated threats are often designed to lead to a paranoid culture that can be easily swayed by manipulated emotions instead of critical thinking. Furthermore, violence, coercion, and threats of consequences for non-cooperation with State dictates are the hallmarks of historical tyranny.

Finally, let's not forget what the mere accusation of terrorism means in today's world: indefinite detention without a trial, torture, and the end of our unalienable rights.

Follow the above official State guidelines for reporting "potential terrorism" at your peril.

Source:
FBI ?Communities Against Terrorism? Suspicious Activity Reporting Flyers | Public Intelligence

 

[0121stockpicker]

Think about it stockpicker,you can be on the watch list for nothing more than having a Ron Paul bumper sticker on your car.In addition any of the below can land you on the watch list.

Airport Service Providers -- Includes on-craft providers: baggage, cleaners, cargo, catering, mechanics, ground crew, food service, cleaners, security, taxi, limos, and shuttles.
Beauty/Drug Suppliers -- People who have burn marks, missing limbs, travel a long distance, nervous, who are picked up, make illogical requests (even of consumer-grade products).
Bulk Fuel Distributors -- New customers not from the area, those using cash for large transactions, nervous, large purchases, having a rental vehicle.
Construction Sites -- People with environmental slogans and/or anti-government slogans, banners or signs that threaten or imply violence.
Dive/Boat Shops -- New customers reluctant to provide complete personal information, customer who does not have certification, using cash for expensive transactions, extended rentals, appearing uninterested in safety rules, experiencing guarded behavior.
Electronics Stores -- Person who alters appearance from visit to visit (changing hair color, shaving, etc.), fills a "shopping list" of components while lacking knowledge about their use. Pays cash for large purchases.
Farm Supply Stores -- New customers not from the area, nervous or impatient, suspicious inquiries regarding equipment specifications, failing to state legitimate use for supplies, rental vehicle, cash for large transactions.
Financial Institutions -- No evidence for legitimate business activity, those with multiple accounts, banks, parties, and jurisdictions (layering). Mixed deposits (money orders, third-party checks, and/or payroll into a business account). Large volume of wire transfers, or repetitive patterns, shell entities, "pass through" points by foreign jurisdictions.
General Aviation -- Taking flying lessons but appear uninterested, renting under vague reasons for doing so, requests to fly over specific locations without substantiated reason, taking pictures or videos of potentially sensitive locations, actions outside the norm, parking near the perimeter of airport, asking questions without substantiation.
General Public -- Basically everything exhibited by those with an inquisitive nature: questions, note taking, drawing, annotating maps, inappropriate photos or videos, people in places where they do not belong.
Hobby Shops -- Interest in remote-controlled aircraft, interest that does not seem genuine, possessing little knowledge of purchase, exhibiting unusual interest, exhibiting no interest, using cash for large transactions.
Home Improvement and Large Retail Stores -- Large quantity of ammunition, firearms and ammunition out of season, combination of unusual items, interest in night vision and camouflage apparel, purchases of pipe fittings and supplies, rental vehicle, refusal to complete firearms paperwork, using cash for large transactions.
Hotels/Motels -- There is an excellent discussion of this section in Michael Snyder's recent article.
Internet Cafes -- There is an excellent discussion of this section in Michael Snyder's recent article.
Shopping Malls -- Wearing backpacks, discreet use of cameras, note-taking, or video over an extended period, several men arriving together then splitting up, continuing to communicate (dry run?), speaking to security guards, comments regarding radical theology, vague or cryptic warnings, or anti-U.S. sentiments that appear out of place and provocative.
Martial Arts/Paintball -- Insist on paying with cash, travels long distance to participate, interest in learning offensive moves in a confined space, learning the use of hidden weapons, learning kill and restraint techniques with no occupational need, group training, uttering racist, religious, unusual, anti-US, or vague and cryptic warnings, close combat training, paintball tactics of ambush or kidnapping scenarios, operating a private facility, converting large plots of rural land to conduct these activities.
Mass Transportation -- Altering one's appearance, exhibiting burns, bleached body hair, concealed wires, nervous, actions suggesting use of a hidden camera, unusual comments, questioning security/facility personnel via normal means of communication, groups arriving together then splitting up and communicating via cell phone.
Military Surplus -- Demanding identity privacy, insisting on paying with cash, suspicious comments, bulk purchases.
Peroxide Explosives -- Unknown customer, individual requesting more information.
Recognizing Sleepers -- Arrival from countries where violent militant Islamic groups are known to operate, long unexplained absences, fury at the West for reasons ranging from personal problems to global policies of the U.S., conspiracy theories about Westerners (e.g. the CIA arranged for 9/11 to legitimize the invasion of foreign lands), accusing the West of trying to destroy Islam.
Rental Cars -- Reluctance to provide complete personal information, using cash, unusual questions.
Rental Properties -- Using cash for large transactions, inquiries about local sites, refusing maintenance or service over extended time, not using property for intended purpose, unusual number of package deliveries, unusual amounts of traffic, discovery of unusual items.
Rental Trucks -- Reluctance to provide personal information, cash for large transactions, inquiries about renting a truck with a wooden floor, questions about vehicle specifications.
Storage Facilities -- Failing to provide complete personal information, using cash to pay fees in advance, placing unusual items in storage, disposing of tools, gloves, masks, or clothing, discarding clothes or shoes in new condition, avoiding contact with rental facility personnel, accessing facility an unusual number of times, storing items that emit unusual odors or leak liquids.
Tattoo Shops -- Demanding identity "privacy," paying cash, altering appearance (beard, hair style, hair color, style of dress, etc.), making racist or extreme statements, suspicious comments that suggest or appear to endorse violence in support of a cause, repeated returns with multiple individuals requesting identical tattoos, inquiries about unusual methods of tattooing or placement which could allow the concealment of extremist symbols.

These flyers also state an additional note about how you can be a part of the solution:

Require a valid ID of all new customers.
Keep records of purchases.
Talk to customers, ask questions, and listen to and observe their responses.
Make note of suspicious statements, people and/or vehicles.
If something seems wrong, notify law enforcement authorities.

As a former store owner in one of the categories above (and a martial arts practitioner), I suggest that you completely disregard the suggestions of these reports. Instead, I would urge common sense, reliance upon your innate "gut instincts" that nature has provided as a tool to determine what is truly wrong beyond these catch-all guidelines. And, lastly, realize that preventing terrorism is not a "community effort" under the direction of bloated bureaucrats and their overlords. Preventing terrorism, whether State-sponsored via false flag or legitimate, should be the role of each individual's power of discernment. It's more efficient, more honest, and more effective.

It is the utmost duty of individuals to speak out against unsubstantiated fear mongering and the usurpation of power based on upon exaggerated threats. These exaggerated threats are often designed to lead to a paranoid culture that can be easily swayed by manipulated emotions instead of critical thinking. Furthermore, violence, coercion, and threats of consequences for non-cooperation with State dictates are the hallmarks of historical tyranny.

Finally, let's not forget what the mere accusation of terrorism means in today's world: indefinite detention without a trial, torture, and the end of our unalienable rights.

Follow the above official State guidelines for reporting "potential terrorism" at your peril.

Source:
FBI ?Communities Against Terrorism? Suspicious Activity Reporting Flyers | Public Intelligence

Are you sure you can be on the terrorism watch list for just having a Ron Paul sticker? Never heard that before. I was very high up at a financial institution so that means I'm on the watch list? I fly internationally all the time and have never had a problem.

Whatever the reason or whether its right or wrong I can certainly say it seems very odd to oppose something like that.

Were pro gun people opposed to the restriction on felons and domestic abusers? Lets face it there's a ton a grey area in felony law??