Great Speech By Former Secret Service Agent 16 Years

[Treasure_Hunter]

Watch the video.

 

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[spartacus53]

Now this is a funny video Two points that made me laugh the most are

#1 @ 1;05 I never in 15 plus years have arrested, or investigated someone on a gun crime who had that gun legally.

That kind of puts a damper on your "Shall not be infringed" thing, don't you think. I thought everyone had the right to own a gun according to the 2nd amendment

#2 @ 3:44 where those that defeated our enemy and took power, created a document that dis-empowered them.

err, aren't they still in power and making the laws. So much for dis-empowerment

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

1. The guns were not bought legally, most likely had the serial numbers filed off. Criminal do not buy their guns legally, they do not want a paper trail.


2. He is talking about the Constitution that limited the power of the Federal government, those are the amendments that king obama is so busy violating and his supporters are either too blind, naive or ignorant to see, so caught up in his lies they cant see the forest for the trees.....

 

[spartacus53]

Counterpoint

#1 Not bought legally? That is a pretty strong statement for one that doesn't know any of the facts. Where did he ever mention they were not bought legally and the numbers were filed. As far as the purchase of the gun, if everyone has the "God given right", "that shall not be infringed" according to the 2nd amendment, they please take the time to explain to me how they are illegal.

What you're in essence telling me is that the arsenal of weapons I made and shoot are all illegal? I am a gunsmith by trade, and it's no ones business what I have. So please explain how the guns I made are illegal, when I am entitled to own one according to the 2nd amendment. I read this amendment a few times and never saw a "clause", differentiating a so-called legal gun vs. an illegal one.

#2 Wow, I really don't know where to start on this one, but I guess I'll start with the bit of misinformation

a) The USA does not have a king, we do elect what we call a president.
b) I can't address that intelligence thing, it is a violation of the T-Net rules

As far as limited power goes, well the joke is on you.. When people talk about limited power, it's actually about the limited power the peons have. Last time I looked, those that make and enforce the laws are the ones that are in power, not visa versa. As far as that limited power thing, guess again, they have power over the whole nation last time I looked

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

1. everyone does not have a right to own a gun.............. I never said you do not have a right to any of your weapons.

Below are a list of reasons that forbid someone from owning a gun "legally"...

Convicted of a felony. Convicted in any court of a crime which in punishable by a term of more than one year or a misdemeanor punishable by more than two years.

Indicted for a crime punishable by more than one year.

A fugitive from justice.

A user of illegal drugs or an addict.

Involuntarily committed to a mental institution.

An illegal alien.

Dishonorably discharged from the armed forces.

Renounced your U.S. citizenship.

Subject to a restraining order for threatening a family member.

Convicted of domestic violence.

2. We have someone who thinks he is a king.... The Constitution limits what a President can legally do, what Congress can legally do...........

 

[spartacus53]

1. everyone does not have a right to own a gun.

Where does it say that exactly If it's the amendment, in the constitution, without any exceptions listed, then everyone is still entitled to own a gun. Laws that go against the constitution are considered illegal, after all, it is my "God given right", not mans

After all that is what the four fathers & 8 mothers implied

Wow, going as far to include misdemeanors into the equation. That means anyone guilty of jaywalking will not be able to defend themselves.

 

[Crispin]

1. everyone does not have a right to own a gun.............. I never said you do not have a right to any of your weapons.

Below are a list of reasons that forbid someone from owning a gun "legally"...

Convicted of a felony. Convicted in any court of a crime which in punishable by a term of more than one year or a misdemeanor punishable by more than two years.

Indicted for a crime punishable by more than one year.

A fugitive from justice.

A user of illegal drugs or an addict.

Involuntarily committed to a mental institution.

An illegal alien.

Dishonorably discharged from the armed forces.

Renounced your U.S. citizenship.

Subject to a restraining order for threatening a family member.

Convicted of domestic violence.

2. We have someone who thinks he is a king.... The Constitution limits what a President can legally do, what Congress can legally do...........

Treasure Hunter, my friend, I'm stepping in here to correct you. Being commited to a mental hospital involuntary has absolutely no bearing on your ability to own a gun in Florida. Obviously, you cannot have access to a gun while you are in the mental hospital, but that is just common sense. Please do not argue with me on this one. I know what I am talking about. There are no psychiatric conditions that prevent people from owning a gun...as it should be. Diabetics with low blood sugar, steroids for an infection, antibiotics for pneumonia. You know what I am talking about. Do I need to go on?

Respectfully,

Crispin

 

[bevo]

[h=2]Federal Law[/h]Under 18 U.S.C. § 922(d), it is unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person “has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution.”
then again its the states decision!

 

[0121stockpicker]

1. everyone does not have a right to own a gun.............. I never said you do not have a right to any of your weapons.

Below are a list of reasons that forbid someone from owning a gun "legally"...

Convicted of a felony. Convicted in any court of a crime which in punishable by a term of more than one year or a misdemeanor punishable by more than two years.

Indicted for a crime punishable by more than one year.

A fugitive from justice.

A user of illegal drugs or an addict.

Involuntarily committed to a mental institution.

An illegal alien.

Dishonorably discharged from the armed forces.

Renounced your U.S. citizenship.

Subject to a restraining order for threatening a family member.

Convicted of domestic violence.

2. We have someone who thinks he is a king.... The Constitution limits what a President can legally do, what Congress can legally do...........

None of this stuff you are talking about is in the constitution is it. "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" - enough said!!! I see a whole lot of infringing going on in your statements about. The constitution is the only law that we recognize!!

And why should any freedom living patriot create a paper trail so this government can come and confiscate our guns?? I see no where in the second which says I have to register my guns with big brother do you?

It sounds like you are going liberal on us here - what is going on?

 

[Crispin]

[h=2]Federal Law[/h]Under 18 U.S.C. § 922(d), it is unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person “has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution.”
then again its the states decision!

I agree with that law. The language is confusing. It means you cannot have a gun if you are currently 'mentally defective' or currently committed to a 'mental institution.' It is all common sense. You can be committed, treated, and then released. In remission, you can own a gun. Mentally defective is not a medical term. Legalize BS, means absolutely nothing. I have never diagnosed anyone as mentally defective...what does that mean? Don't buy into the hype. Come on folks, you guys really want to debate me on this?

 

[bevo]

I wasnt debating, it was more of an r.f.i. plus a stand on states rights.

 

[Crispin]

I wasnt debating, it was more of an r.f.i. plus a stand on states rights.

what does r.f.i. stand for?

 

[0121stockpicker]

[h=2]Federal Law[/h]Under 18 U.S.C. § 922(d), it is unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person “has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution.”
then again its the states decision!

But bevis this is just another step ti chipping away our right to own guns isn't it - watch out fir that slippery slope. And doesn't this directly conflict with the second? Isn't this "infringing" on an Americans right to bear arms and is therefore unconstitutional? Is this unconstitutional law why you ate emailing your reps?? Are you fighting this law. It seems like the bevis horse might be running the wrong way around the track??

 

[Crispin]

But bevis this is just another step ti chipping away our right to own guns isn't it - watch out fir that slippery slope. And doesn't this directly conflict with the second? Isn't this "infringing" on an Americans right to bear arms and is therefore unconstitutional? Is this unconstitutional law why you ate emailing your reps?? Are you fighting this law. It seems like the bevis horse might be running the wrong way around the track??

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You are starting to sound a little too liberal for my taste. Slow it down son. Go into your wallet, pull our your NRA membership card, and think about what you just said. You start using words like unconstitutional and god-given rights as if you were there when the sh*t went down. You weren't. You don't know TJ, you down know washington, you don't know me. Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!

 

[bevo]

against the grain is the best way to make a cut!

 

[0121stockpicker]

against the grain is the best way to make a cut!

But bevis this is just another step ti chipping away our right to own guns isn't it - watch out fir that slippery slope. And doesn't this directly conflict with the second? Isn't this "infringing" on an Americans right to bear arms and is therefore unconstitutional? Is this unconstitutional law why you ate emailing your reps?? Are you fighting this law. It seems like the bevis horse might be running the wrong way around the track??

 

[Crispin]

But bevis this is just another step ti chipping away our right to own guns isn't it - watch out fir that slippery slope. And doesn't this directly conflict with the second? Isn't this "infringing" on an Americans right to bear arms and is therefore unconstitutional? Is this unconstitutional law why you ate emailing your reps?? Are you fighting this law. It seems like the bevis horse might be running the wrong way around the track??

ummm, you just copy and pasted that. Did RJC take over your account? Plus you didn't even answer my questions...is this RJC?

 

[bevo]

The race is on a different thread, an your'e repeating your self. Further more , that was a great speech by a fair orator.

 

[Crispin]

The race is on a different thread, an your'e repeating your self. Further more , that was a great speech by a fair orator.

yeah, what bevo said. this is the department of redunancy department.

 

[0121stockpicker]

I guess it's just easiest not answer the questions?? So I guess you are saying there is nothing wrong with federal or state laws that restrict the ownership of guns?? We have just had our first major breakthrough. Congrats beev, you are beginning your long road to recovery and deprogramming. Next session we will see if we can made a bit more progress.