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LOL I Suppose it depends on what you see when you open your Front Door.

I Personally wonder if Hunting the Great Lakes is Legal.
I Can't remember last Time I read of a Find in the Lakes.

I Think it was old Logs. in the 70's or early 80's



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jeff of pa said:
LOL I Suppose it depends on what you see when you open your Front Door.

I Personally wonder if Hunting the Great Lakes is Legal.
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IT is legal as far as i know for i hunt the shores of lake Erie and wade in to hunt and were it is not private property i never have had a problem . I do not dive so i do not know about that.
 

When it comes to lake Michigan I hunt it all the time. You can legally hunt every inch of it because you are allowed too walk the shore to the high water line even in front of houses
 

The Recent Treasure Hunting Show Debacle, With the Gold Painted Bricks,
on the Confederate Treasure. in Lake Michigan
Had me wondering.

As they claimed they could not Touch or take .


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Shipwrecks are a different story. I am strictly talking about water hunting (wading)
 

my Uncle docks his fishing boat at a marina on Lake Erie, the old guy that owns it was a professional salvager on the great lakes before he retired, and bought the marina.
I never realized this until after he passed away.
 

jeff of pa said:
LOL I Suppose it depends on what you see when you open your Front Door.

I Personally wonder if Hunting the Great Lakes is Legal.
I Can't remember last Time I read of a Find in the Lakes.

I Think it was old Logs. in the 70's or early 80's



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I've spent quite a lot of time in the Great Lakes, and I would hardly say that "the buried treasures of the pirates are pennies compared to the wealth" in the Lakes.

Most of the cargoes were lumber, grain, iron ore, and other ordinary commodities.

There is no gold or silver here as a resource. There was some copper, but all that could be salvaged was, and can't now because of shipwreck laws.

On the other hand, the wrecks themselves are the treasure since we have no teredo worms. But there are zebra mussels that are making things less attractive for diving.
 

I think it was Wisconsin passed a state bottoms land law for underwater with the 50 year old rule.
 

https://www.lawserver.com/law/state/wisconsin/wi-laws/wisconsin_laws_170-12


(a) The boundaries of the location where sunken logs may be raised pursuant to the permit. The area covered by the permit shall be contiguous and may not exceed 160 acres. A permit may not cover submerged lands that are not contained within Lake Michigan, Lake Superior, Star Lake in Vilas County, Boom Lake in Oneida County, Rib Lake in Taylor County or the Fox River. No location may be covered by more than one permit under this section.
(b) That the applicant shall obtain all other permits that are required by law, and shall comply with all other requirements that are imposed by law, for raising and removing logs resting on submerged lands owned by the state.
(c) The frequency, means and procedure for accounting for and determining the appraised market value of any logs raised.
(dm) That the applicant shall implement procedures to determine whether a raised log bears an American Indian tribal mark or brand, to identify the tribal mark or brand, and to track the value realized from the sale of logs separately for logs that bear a particular tribal mark or brand.
(e) The procedure and times when the permit holder shall tender to the board, on behalf of the state, amounts due the state for its net share of the value of any logs raised. The amounts due the state for its net share of the value of logs described under par. (dm) shall be separately identified by tribal mark or brand.
(f) Any requirements and conditions necessary to protect public rights in navigable waters.
(g) Any requirements recommended under s. 44.47 (5r) (b) that the board determines should be a condition of the permit.
(7) Permit renewal. If a permit holder wishes to renew a permit issued under this section, the permit holder shall submit a request for renewal, together with a $500 renewal fee, to the board at least 30 days before the expiration date of the permit. The board shall renew the permit for a 5-year period unless the board determines, after notice to the permit holder and an opportunity for the permit holder to be heard, that the permit holder has knowingly or willfully violated the terms, conditions or requirements of the permit; this section; s. 44.47; or rules promulgated under this section or s. 44.47. If the board determines that there are environmental or archaeological facts affecting the location specified in the permit that were unknown at the time that the original permit was granted, the board may attach additional conditions or restrictions to the permit. If the board determines that the permit holder has knowingly or willfully violated the terms, conditions or requirements of the permit or a provision under this section or s. 44.47, the board may deny the renewal or may attach conditions or restrictions to the renewal necessary to ensure compliance with the requirements of the original permit​
 

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Interesting is Lake Superior has a max depth of 1332 feet! Was talking a few weeks ago to some Coast Guard working on the buoy tender Alder based out of Duluth, MN and they said they have installed buoys at depths of 600 feet. That's a lot of chain!!!
 

That the applicant shall implement procedures to determine whether a raised log bears an American Indian tribal mark or brand, to identify the tribal mark or brand, and to track the value realized from the sale of logs separately for logs that bear a particular tribal mark or brand.​
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Are we talking about the possibility of Native American cultural heritage or were the Indians into logging?
 

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Are we talking about the possibility of Native American cultural heritage or were the Indians into logging?
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Not that I ever heard, but logging camps generally didn't keep written histories. :laughing7:

It was easy enough to brand logs by hammering the end while keeping count.

I've seen the sunken logs, and thought of raising them, but couldn't find anyone willing to take it on with me. It's much more dangerous than regular logging. Maybe I'm not too bright, but it did sound like dark, dirty, nasty, tough - fun.

Sometimes they're like Pick up Sticks, all tangled up.
 

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Made from the only wood of this type, vintage and quality that still exists on Earth, this Craviotto solid shell snare drum has been custom-crafted from a single piece of this hand-selected “Timeless Timber’

https://www.drumazon.com/products/c...-14-x-5-5-solid-birch-snare-drum-no-42-of-100
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That stuff don't grow on trees!

That is some seriously gorgeous wood and work. The hundreds of year old wood has a quality that will never be seen again.

Price wasn't listed........
 

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I tried to balance the color a little better, so we can possibly see the marking on hammer.

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From: Log rafting industry in Lake Superior

Duluth Daily Tribune of June 21, 1985, reported that one log raft on Lake Superior held 3,000,000 board-feet of timber and soon after the turn of the century a raft containing over 6,000,000 board-feet of timber was shipped from the mouth of the Gooseberry River. These large rafts could cover as much as 25 acres of lake surface.

The most common style of raft was the boom type. Known as a bag boom, this kind of raft was essentially a floating fence which held quantities of free-floating logs. When filled with logs and placed under tow, it took on the shape of a bag held by a string. Captain Benjamin Boutelle, owner of the Niagara from 1888 to 1901, used a boom built by stringing large logs together on a chain passed through a hole in the center of each log. Using this arrangement, Boutelle towed a raft containing 3,000,000 board-feet of logs from Lake Superior to Bay City, Mich., through one of the worst storms of the 1885 sailing season.

Of course the rafts themselves were hazards to navigation, especially at night, but also when logs escaped from them in storms. Many ships were lost from this practice.
 

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The fence type of log raft, probably lost more timber during a storm.
 

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