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[cti4sw]

Never seen the liquor bottle markings before.



I have seen bottles with the Christmas-y type patterns but none this big. Any ideas?



It won't let me upload the pic of the base (says it's too big), but the base has the following embossed on it:

"Karakelian, Inc / M 4 / New York, N.Y."

The "M" is inside a keystone.

 

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[Confederate Sailor]

A liquor bottle not seen before by two sailors. Can't say it was due to lack of trying. Just before our time.

 

[surf]

Happy New Bottles, cti4sw,

The half Gallon is a large economy size Mission Bell Wine:

"Mission Bell Wineries, Madera

Mission Bell Wineries are, like the Petri Wineries at Escalon (see there), an operating and production name for Allied Grape Growers, the co-operative winery association of some three hundred member growers which purchased both wineries from the Petri family, giving the latter the exclusive marketing rights to its total output.

The Mission Bell Winery, with its complex of beautiful buildings in the Spanish Mission style, is a monument to that colorful American of Armenian origin, K. Arakelian, who became one of the most successful figures in the California wine industry and made his Mission Bell wines known through the country. Louis Petri acquired the winery in 1949 and operated it some two years before selling it to Allied Grape Growers.

The Mission Bell brand enjoys a large distribution, mainly in the Eastern part of the United States. A full line of table and aperitif and dessert wines is marketed under this brand, covering the lowpriced field.

Aperitif and Dessert wines: Pale Dry Sherry, Cocktail Sherry, Sherry, and Cream Sherry; Port, Ruby Port, and Tawny Port; Muscatel, Tokay, White Port, and Angelica; Dry and Sweet Vermouth;

Sparkling wines (bulk-fermented) : Champagne and Sparkling Burgundy;

Table wines: RED: Burgundy, Zinfandel, and Claret; WHITE: Sauterne, Rhine Wine, and Chablis.

A red table wine of the "vino rosso" type is marketed under the Mission Bell Viva label and called Vino Rosso Amabile." Fresno-San Joaquin Valley - California Wines And Wine Country Part 1

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The first one looks like it could be a brandy. It would have had a wax or paper seal and ribbon in that crescent. What's the size / capacity of it and howzabout a shot of the base, please…

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[cti4sw]

There's nothing on the base or I would've included a pic. Dunno about volume, the bottle is about a foot tall from base to lip.

 

[surf]

"M in a keystone……..Metro Glass Bottle Company, Jersey City, New Jersey (Mark used c.1935-1949). See above entry." GLASS MANUFACTURERS' MARKS ON BOTTLES & OTHER GLASSWARE~PAGE THREE

The first one has me stymied for the moment. I'm gonna have to do some further looking around…

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[cti4sw]

Idk if it helps you any but I think it's got an applied lip, the mold seam stops on the neck just below the bead. The lip finish has the concentric ripples you see when the lip is applied after the bottle is blown.

 

[olroy70]

make that 3 sailors!!!!!!!! scary!

 

[cti4sw]

A liquor bottle not seen before by two sailors. Can't say it was due to lack of trying. Just before our time.

make that 3 sailors!!!!!!!! scary!

Why is that scary? What sort of a Sailor actually LOOKS at the damn bottle? Who cares what it's called as long as you get drunk?

 

[surf]

Hey cti4sw,

It looks like a tooled lip to me. Late 19th Century, I believe. I've done considerable looking, and have not come up with even a good possibility. I'm operating on the assumption that the "F" is for frères.

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[cti4sw]

Hey cti4sw,

It looks like a tooled lip to me. Late 19th Century, I believe. I've done considerable looking, and have not come up with even a good possibility. I'm operating on the assumption that the "F" is for frères.

So it's probably not even American. <Nods> Think it might be worth posting on eBay?

 

[surf]

Why not. It's a hand blown & finished bottle from La Belle Époque. You may learn it's origin, and even make a few bob...

 

[cti4sw]

....................La Belle Époque....................

Say what? Is that an actual company, or are you being enigmatic?

 

[surf]

Hey cti4sw,

La Belle Époque, The Beautiful Age corresponds to the late Victorian, and first years of the Edwardian era. It covered a lot of ground in the worlds of design, fashion, and art.

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[Critical Recovery]

The first one has me stymied

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lol. I see what you did there. ;-)

 

[cti4sw]

La Belle Époque, The Beautiful Age corresponds to the late Victorian, and first years of the Edwardian era. It covered a lot of ground in the worlds of design, fashion, and art.

Hmm, interesting. Never knew that.