Gold Spanish Reale ???? Holy Crap!!!!

[eclipsegt3]

So long story short.. i was at a friends house.. helping him move and came across a very very old bible.. I picked it up an this coin fell out of the binding.. You could imagine my reaction.. I showed it to him.. I Said " im about 100% certain that's gold.. He laughed an said you wish...it looks like some kinda game token to me... an told me to keep it.. So ... Ive researched a little an seen an image of a Spanish silver 4 reale with the same front image (2nd image with the arrows in the middle ).. What is this coin!!!

My acid test kit confirms .. it is gold..

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

well be hard to tell if its solid gold... unless i drill a hole threw it ...lol

Edit .. It is posted in the Spanish Cob forum as well


an another thing is.. the test kit im using i bought probably 8 - 10 months ago.. idk if the acid would go bad...??

Im not sure how to test but drilling a hole is not necessary. Any pawn shop can test.

 

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[jimb]

Congrats ! That is a fantastic find!

 

[eclipsegt3]

I made my first video LoL... see how it goes

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

The search feature here at the new Treasurenet is horrible but I managed to find the old TN thread on Google. Ask your friend if any member of his family participated in Renaissance Fair or Middle Age re-enactments. http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/what/86870-strange-silver-coin.html

They actually mint their own gold coinage by taking features from a real coin but adding unusual lettering. As Mack said earlier, the lettering is pure fantasy.

I didnt find a match and Im not really looking but these groups actually mint their own gold and silver coinage. If you find one in the USA, your heart will skip a beat. http://www.gmmnut.com/gmm/sca/sca.html

 

[eclipsegt3]

I'll ask him when i see him again , only thing we have around here is a civil war re-enactment every year... as far as Renaissance Fair or Middle Age re-enactments ive never heard of them.. I live in the very western tip of VA.. way back in the sticks..

An the reply about drilling a hole was a joke lol..

 

[eclipsegt3]

Thought i might have had a banner... dang

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I'll ask him when i see him again , only thing we have around here is a civil war re-enactment every year... as far as Renaissance Fair or Middle Age re-enactments ive never heard of them.. I live in the very western tip of VA.. way back in the sticks..

An the reply about drilling a hole was a joke lol..

I never heard of those Middle Ages re-enactments either until Moe and I IDed the silver coin from the "Kingdom of Caid" lol. Further research revealed that they actually mint gold and silver token coins to use as legal tender at the Fairs. To me its unbelievable! Im not saying this is what you have but its possible.

 

[eclipsegt3]

INTERESTING Development... I just thought about my AT PRO .... so i go an air test the coin with it.... AND it comes up 86-87 on my machine !!!!

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

We will see what the Spanish Cob forum says or the Brits. I would take it to a pawn shop to be sure.

 

[ivan salis]

remember this * reales were made of silver * --it took 2 - 8 reale coins - 16 reales to equal a 1 escaudo (gold coin) --the offical spanish govt rate was 16 silver reales = 1 escaudo of gold --

there are no 4 reale "gold" coins - if its a 4 reale coin --either its a "real" silver 4 reale thats been "gold plated" -- or its a 12k gold plated base metal core replica or solid 12 k replica jewelry piece -- 12 k gold was often commonly used during the victorian age --civil war to 1900 era by the way --after 1900 --10 k became more the common mans jewelry with 14 k and 18 k used by folks with a bit more cash to spend

 

[eclipsegt3]

86-87 readin on my At Pro.. is silver every time..... .. i had some gold jewelry cleaner ( Walmart cleaner) dipped it in that ... an it shined up big time

 

[ivan salis]

well its either a gold plated real silver 4 reale * or a gold plated aluminum repilca - its well known that gold and aluminum --ring up very close on the electrical conductivity scale -- so --it might be a old victorian era 12 k plated 0ver silver 4 real or a replica of one from that era -- or a modern aluminum based gold plated 12 k repilca that somehow made it into the bible -- if its old its a cool little trinket --

silver jewelry with gold overplate is called vermeil

 

[eclipsegt3]

this coin/whatever it is ... weighs between 4-5 grams ... about the same wieght as a common nickel .. slightly bigger than a quarter.. an the thickness of a dime

 

[eclipsegt3]

a pop tab rings in on the AT Pro at 75ish..

an you can just tell the gold is old... just the luster of gold as it ages.. you can tell its old gold.. thats what my father is sayin too..

 

[eclipsegt3]

an gold rings up at 51-55

its got to much wieght to it to have any aluminum in it. yet be so thin

 

[ivan salis]

well knowing what I know -- a 4 spanish reale is a silver coin * not gold -- your coin rings up as silver --yet has a 12k gold plating on it -- 12 k gold was commonly used during the old days civil war to 1900 era * --it fell out of favor post 1900 * with folks either going down to 10 K or up to 14 K , or 18 K -- it doesn't seem to match up perfectly lettering wize to a "real' 4 reale silver coin but looks "close" -- so it could be either a old victorican era vermeil (silver base / gold plated) 12 k "replica" coin --- or a more modern one that somehow found its way into that old family bible somehow -- my guess would be victorican era vermeil "replica" --since 12k gold has been out of fashion for a long long time

 

[eclipsegt3]

thanks for your knowledge an help ivan

 

[ivan salis]

i try to help.

 

[eclipsegt3]

how thick can plating be.. I ask because when i acid tested .. i tested in the same spot probably 10 times.. its still gold where i scratched

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

how thick can plating be.. I ask because when i acid tested .. i tested in the same spot probably 10 times.. its still gold where i scratched

Modern plating would be very thin. Pawn shop or jewelry store tommorrow let us know.