🥇 BANNER Gold posy ring from early site

[SC Keith]

I just dug my first early gold ring and am one happy relic hunter! My buddy and I just went to a couple of different sites where we detected and sifted. I scored the gold ring early on at a shallow depth of maybe 4 inches. I am trying to use the makers mark to figure out when it was made. I really hope it is from the 1700s . Any help on the maker would be appreciated! The inscription reads : "Remember the giver".

 

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My Precious....great job

 

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[crabstang44]

early to mid 1700s for sure, that would be a banner, looks high karat like the ones i found

 

[Isaac]

amazing find!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW!!!

 

[Calabash Digger]

Congrats on a great find! My vote for banner is in,the first time I dont go with him look what he does folks.Keith is a great relic hunter and a good friend and has mentored me in the relic game and I cant think of anyone who deserves a good find like that anymore than he does. Congrats again I will be home thursday lets hit it this weekend.

 

[SC Keith]

Congrats on a great find! My vote for banner is in,the first time I dont go with him look what he does folks.Keith is a great relic hunter and a good friend and has mentored me in the relic game and I cant think of anyone who deserves a good find like that anymore than he does. Congrats again I will be home thursday lets hit it this weekend.

This find had your name written all over it! If you were on this hunt this ring would be in your collection!!!

 

[Bill D. (VA)]

That's absolutely incredible Keith!! I've been trying to unearth one of those for a loooong time. Obvious banner find. WTG man!!

 

[Bill D. (VA)]

Ok. Kind of flying blind but I've narrowed it down to 4 possible makers with one being less likely.

View attachment 1423895 John Williams
View attachment 1423896 John West
View attachment 1423898 James Wintle
View attachment 1423899 Jacob Wintle

John West is my leaning. All these guys were registered in London early to mid 19th century. Depending on the maker, and assuming it's one of these guys, my guess is the ring dates as early as 1810 to 1850.

I believe it dates earlier than 19th century. That same style of script is seen on 18th century examples. Plus that maker's mark style is very similar to one I have on an early 1700s buckle. I'll post it if I can put my hands on it.

 

[SC Keith]

That's absolutely incredible Keith!! I've been trying to unearth one of those for a loooong time. Obvious banner find. WTG man!!

Thanks Bill, I appreciate that and believe that you may indeed get yours with all those incredible finds you make

 

[SC Keith]

I believe it dates earlier than 19th century. That same style of script is seen on 18th century examples. Plus that maker's mark style is very similar to one I have on an early 1700s buckle. I'll post it if I can put my hands on it.[/QUOTE
The ring was found in context with pure 18th century relics. I know later "contamination" occurs though. From my limited research, I have seen no posy rings on the web dating after 1800. I may try to email the British museum for an opinion, or hopefully Crusader will reply.

 

[joeyfresh]

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Here's one for sale for $2200

 

[ARC]

I believe it dates earlier than 19th century. That same style of script is seen on 18th century examples. Plus that maker's mark style is very similar to one I have on an early 1700s buckle. I'll post it if I can put my hands on it.[/QUOTE
The ring was found in context with pure 18th century relics. I know later "contamination" occurs though. From my limited research, I have seen no posy rings on the web dating after 1800. I may try to email the British museum for an opinion, or hopefully Crusader will reply.

Why wait for Crusader...

 

[Deft Tones]

I'm pulling for you that it's older. The maker may not even be in a registry. I limited my search to the U.K., so it may be older and unrecorded as the dates only indicate registry with the English govt. It's possible these guys were making jewelry prior to that and the laws changed the requirements to practice the craft.

 

[ARC]

Its English... mid to late 1700's IMO.

 

[Scrappy]

Banner vote sent.

 

[Fugio]

Holy wow brother! Sweet ring! Definitely looks high karat. Amazing Color on that one! I got to get my coil over one of these. Congrats on an amazing find my friend! Oh and I vote banner! Beautiful!

 

[bill from lachine]

Keith,

Banner vote on the way.

Regards + HH

Bill

 

[SC Keith]

Why wait for Crusader...

View attachment 1423986

Thank you for showing me this. Who needs Crusader!!!

 

[Stef45]

https://www.silvermakersmarks.co.uk/Makers/Birmingham-JT-JZ.html

Congratulations! Wow, what a great find!!!

two questions. Would silversmiths also be goldsmiths? and isn't it typical of early american silver and gold smiths to just put makers marks on their works?

 

[SC Keith]

I'm pulling for you that it's older. The maker may not even be in a registry. I limited my search to the U.K., so it may be older and unrecorded as the dates only indicate registry with the English govt. It's possible these guys were making jewelry prior to that and the laws changed the requirements to practice the craft.

Thanks again for the reasearch efforts! I appreciate it a lot.

 

[bill_wabo]

Sweet old gold, banner vote on the way for sure. The pipe bowl seems before 1800. Was it your first visit on this site? Congrats and go back asap