From the Grave?

[mastereagle22]

Found these at a local park. The park is within 1/8 of a mile from a Cemetery. I think it is some type of funerary item. The first piece is VERY heavy and the pictures are the front and back of that item. The third picture shows the other item. It is light. I found the fist item 6.5 inches down (measured) and the second item was found at around 4 inches. Any one have any clue?

 

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[Tricia]

Dimensions of the items?

 

[mastereagle22]

Sorry, posted wrong pics I had some with a ruler laying next to the items. The item with the "columns" is 4 inches across and 2 and 3/4 up and down. The other item is 4 inches tall and 3 and 3/4 wide at it widest point at the base. Hope this helps.

 

[Montana Jim]

Different look with smaller pictures...

 

[Monty]

The first item looks like a miniature coffin. The other two not a shape I recognize. Use? Beats me. Monty

 

[ivan salis]

first looks like a still born childs type coffin or urn ---sorry but gives me the creeps--bad vibes--- put it back I say. but you "dug" it so its on you --what to do with it---however in most states digging and "keeping" any human remains or items used in burying humans is highly illegal--its known as "grave robbing or tampering with human remains" and is highly frowned by everyone---even if found innocently "by accident" in an old family style "unknown & unmarked" grave site once you found "it" --you are supposed to stop digging & rebury it and notifity the state folks of the site ---just a word to the wize on this subject----be very careful---big legal troubles can befall you otherwise. Ivan

 

[DigEmAll]

That's no urn or coffin...
At 4 inches long, that would be a really small child... or a goldfish.
Looks like a solid piece of metal to me anyway most likely cast iron.


The second item looks like a machine part.


One thing I have learned over the years is that parks DO NOT age properly due to grounds keeping. The item you found at six inches could be less than 25 years old depending on the surfacing of the park. Many thing such as mowing, sanding, fertilizing, watering, raking, thatching, trees, grass, shrubs, grading, compacting... all the typical "make it pretty" things determine how fast things are covered over in a park.

Long story short, parks are very deceiving my friend. You have many unatural things happening to the ground to use depth as an age indicator. The item could be anything because of the number of different types of people that visit there. The history of the area isn't really that useful in a park either for this same reason. It could be a tractor part from Idaho or a spark plug for the space shuttle in Florida that some uncle sent his four year old nephew. Who knows.

 

[ivan salis]

lets see looks about 4 tall x about 4 wide x 12 or so long---could have held ashes---a small amount ---4 x 4 = 16 x 12 = 192 cubic inches or so--- (still born child ) size ash holder maybe---still since you say you are "close" to a known burial area--- beware taking anything that might be "grave" related --- because it can cause you some big time legal troubles-- and seriously bad mojo or hauntings---Ivan

 

[TreasureTales]

Mastereagle22, welcome to TreasureNet. We're very happy to have you with us.

We need some more information. Please answer these questions for us.

1) Will a magnet stick to these items?
2) Is there any rust on them?
3) Are there any letters, logos, marks, names, dates?
4) Did you get struck by lightning when you took these things home with you?

If you answered yes to any of these questions, immediately return the items to where you found them - avoid bad mojo. OK, just kidding! Seriously now, please help us help you - more info, please.

 

[mastereagle22]

First let me say I would NEVER EVER NEVER EVER NEVER NEVER dig a grave site on purpose! I work in healthcare and I have nothing but absolute respect for the dead and hallowed ground. A friend tried to get me to detect the site of an old house that was built on an Indian burial grounds and I would have NOTHING to do with it!!
Second I have contacted the admin of the local cemetery and I will be meeting with them early next week. It these articles are in fact funerary realated I will have some type of ceremony and replace them where I found them. The park people also have been contact and they want to know as well since there is a HUGE play area on this site.

Now to answer some questions: 1. The magnet will stick to the first but not second item. 2. No rust anywhere. The only thing I did was clean off the dirt with a little water and a brush. The picture does not do any justice to the items as they appear to have been painted with some type of gold colored paint. Both items have the same paint on them. 3. No names, dates, letters or numbers can be seen anywhere on the items. 4. No I did not get struck by lightning. I did immediately say a small prayer and ask for foregiveness in case I "disturbed" someone's grave. I am not overly religous but I believe in GOD and I do NOT beleive in doing anything even remotely illegal or unethical. I do not think taking the items back and burrying them is the right thing to do. If for some reason this is a lost or unmarked grave it needs to be addressed! Just how far away from a cemetery should you be before detecting. I did not realize the cemetery was within 1/8th of a mile from the park because of the trees between the park and the fence of the cemetery. I am new to MDing and do not want anyone thinking I am some crass idiot with a detector. So please help me out with this.

 

[TreasureTales]

Relax, we're just having a little fun at your expense. Many members don't condone detecting in cemetaries or over graves, but that doesn't appear to be what you did - if funerarial, don't sweat it because you were not at the cemetery. May be an unmarked grave that still needs to be respected but you didn't know it was there because it was unmarked, so I don't think anybody here is seriously ragging on you - we're just teasing you. RELAX.

Seems like you have all the bases covered as far as respect - that is commendable behavior. Having said all this, I still don't know what you've dug up, but one is non-ferrous (non-iron) and neither are rusty. Could the second item be made of aluminum? The first two photos are of the same object (front and back) right? So it isn't a solid 3D object like a miniature coffin, is it? It has a strange shape on the back, almost like a lip hanging off the back. Can you take more photos?

 

[DCMatt]

ME22,

It will take A LOT more than what you posted for anyone here to think you are a "crass idiot with a detector". BTW - I don't mean that statement as challenge...

Chances are, your items are not funerary related. If they are, they are probably not part of a grave or burial site.

I've looked at your items and it's difficult to get perspective with those pictures. Can you post pics with a ruler or common object next to the items? It might help.

DCMatt

 

[ivan salis]

no your not crass or bad at all ---once in a great while while MDing we---totally by accident and innocently --stumble across "unmarked and unknown" grave sites--many times these are old family grave yards that have been long forgotten---you "respect" the dead and thus do not tamper with these sites---good--- you do the "proper" thing---lots of folks do not understand what to do if the "stumble" across such a site---if "accidently" found and treated properly by you and reported its no problem for you ---sadly there are some sick ghoul types --that do md near these unmarked grave yards looking for wedding bands that the dead persons husband or wife might have took "off" and buried a few inches deep in the earth by the gravesite on a "visit"---if say they got remarried---they might not "feel" right to keep the ring or maybe as a "token" of love they"buried" it there---it was done more commonly than you think. folks of old by and large didn't just head off to the pawn shop with the weedding rings when their husbands and wives died. like today's do---Ivan

 

[mastereagle22]

I did not post properly I am very anxious about these items. Sorry! The first two pictures are front and back of one item. The second item in NOT aluminum! I will post more pictures this afternoon once I get off work. I have taken about 20 of them with a ruler in the pic for reference. Sorry I am new to this forum stuff! Please be patient with me and I will post this later today!

 

[Monty]

if it will make you feel better, all I am really seeing is some old rusted metal that just happens to be shaped odd. So don't let it bother you. M nty

 

[DCMatt]

You may want to ask if the cemetary grounds ever extended into the park area. If so, you may have part of a decorative fence or wall or gate.

I recently discovered a 1937 aerial photo of my parent's church. It clearly shows the cemetary grounds (although no grave markers) extending into what is now a farmer's field.

Good luck,

DCMatt

 

[mastereagle22]

Ok everyone. I went back to my house and picked up the items. The first piece is NOT magnetic. There was a thin piece of metal that was stuck to it that is magnetic that was sitting in the curved part on the back. This piece fell off before the pictures were taken and it is not part of the two pieces. So to be clear neither piece is magnetic. Neither piece is made of aluminum. We had a funeral director drop by work a few minutes ago (they come by almost every day) and he looked at the stuff and said it is not part of anything he has ever seen in the cemetery and he has worked there for 30 years. He did say that in the late 1890s early 1900s a Work House was somewhere around this site for people who couldn't pay their debts or that had mental problems. Anyway I am posting the new pics.

 

[mastereagle22]

Oops Two more pictures!

The first is the back of the part with the "columns" on it
The second is the back of the second item.

Thanks so much

 

[TreasureTales]

The first piece almost looks like some type of moulding. The other piece looks like a ?? I haven't a clue. I'll say this, those additional photos made a world of difference as far as scale, shape, and contour. Good pix, thanks.

 

[ivan salis]

the one with the post has a odd "ring" on the base part ---is there any threading in the ring or is it smooth? if smooth might it have be used to tie down something? Ivan