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goldguru said:
some Old timers would solder the chain to the flapper to secure it.. rather than reach into the Tank to Flush
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I ve repaired a lot of toilets and never saw anything like this. And I never heard of someone soldering the chain. The flapper is rubber. The adjustable end of the chain connects to the flush handle arm not the flapper.

It reminds me of an old B&S or GM valve spring retainer washer or brake shoe retainer. But they were not brass and a bit smaller. Its also similar to the end of a grease gun spring retainer.

Is it brass or steel?
 

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Looks like a splash guard for an electric range top. What size did you say it was? Monty
 

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allen said:
guess I left that out, :icon_scratch:
it is made of steel....
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No steel in the toilet! :D I say it is a valve spring retaining washer.
 

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Looks like cap that retains the spring for drum brakes to me.
 

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RPG said:
bigcypresshunter said:
allen said:
guess I left that out, :icon_scratch:
it is made of steel....
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No steel in the toilet! :D I say it is a valve spring retaining washer.
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Yeap...Click the link and scroll down to valve spring retainers.

http://www.aeolus-online.com/catalog/atv/4/
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Thanks RPG. Thats the pic I was looking for. I dont know why metal appears to be melted inside part of it. I guess there could be steel in the tolilet but it looks more like a valve spring keeper. Valve_Spring_Retainer.webp

The notch in the valve will lock into the retainer with spring pressure.Valve_Intake- Exhaust.webp
 

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pippinwhitepaws said:
guess you guys don't like belly dancing. :icon_scratch:
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It could be several different things. I doubt its a finger cymbol because its not brass.



Allen, if you feel this is solved,

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bigcypresshunter said:
RPG said:
bigcypresshunter said:
allen said:
guess I left that out, :icon_scratch:
it is made of steel....
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No steel in the toilet! :D I say it is a valve spring retaining washer.
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Yeap...Click the link and scroll down to valve spring retainers.

http://www.aeolus-online.com/catalog/atv/4/
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Thanks RPG. Thats the pic I was looking for. I dont know why metal appears to be melted inside part of it. I guess there could be steel in the tolilet but it looks more like a valve spring keeper.


The notch in the valve will lock into the retainer with spring pressure.
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He stated it was 1.5 in in dia No way its a valve spring retainer avg size of SBC spring is 1.062 in dia & its Not thick enough for that kind of duty.25yr master mech here.
 

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goldguru said:
He stated it was 1.5 in in dia No way its a valve spring retainer avg size of SBC spring is 1.062 in dia & its Not thick enough for that kind of duty.25yr master mech here.
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I stated that the ones Ive removed were a bit smaller. Im only a shade tree mechanic, but if the average spring size is just over an inch dia., couldnt it be possible that one could be an inch and a half dia. on a larger or older engine that you havent seen? Just asking. It looks thick enough to me but hard to tell by the picture.
 

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added weight to valve train is closely monitored .. to improve longevity..for argue sakes um say the valve would/could be that large on a Very large SLOW turning gas engine. IE max RPM be in the 700-800 rpm area.more rpm would require the retainer to be a min of say 0.186 in to take the repetitive cycles involved for if u had a 1.5 inch spring the valve it is closing would be say up to 3 in in dia @ the seat & have an 8 inch long stem..there for u can appreciate the amount of cycles/min would limit the engine rpm.. still I suppose it could be a keeper for a steam aplication?.which would have very low cycles per min?

reason i like the flapper is the chain which is still slodered into the center of the hole.
way back flappers had metal center which U replaced the rubber sealin portion by rolling the metal portion into the rubber which had a grove around it.
IE.. like a chair or table leg with replacable anti scuff pads for hardwood floor protection.(metal center rubber outside).cant think of a better example than that 1 right now.

No worries BC i let it go..
 

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goldguru said:
No worries BC i let it go..
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Let what go? ??? Sorry I guess I need to improve my technique. Thanks for the explanations on valve springs. As far as the toilet theory, thanks for the explanation. ...it does look like a chain type connection now that I think about it. But wouldnt it most likely be brass inside an old toilet tank? I guess I would have to see a pic to be convinced.
 

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I would think that if it is a toilet flapper, it wouldn't be steel. You said it rang up as a penny on your detector, if it was steel then that wouldn't happen, unless it is zinc coated. You sure its not brass?
 

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We have about 5 good theories here and arguments for and against them all. I say test it with a magnet.

Did they really solder toilet chains back in the day? If brass, maybe goldguru is correct.
 

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bigcypresshunter said:
We have about 5 good theories here and arguments for and against them all. I say test it with a magnet.
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:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
 

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well...i certainly am have a great time researching my theory... :icon_jokercolor:
 

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LOL PIP..
what I ment BC was i only try 2 help not here to Argue to the death..lol

Mine may not be the best..But still possible BTW i not OLD enough to have a Ture opion on the Back in the Dat comment..lol
 

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Very cool, but no clue what it is????

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