🔎 UNIDENTIFIED Found theses and am clueless as to what they are

[kmk]

I found these items in within the general area of Franklin village NY within 500 feet of the Otsego river. Anyone have any ideas as to what these are?

 

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[Lenrac2]

Cool finds! How big are the plates and what do you think they are made of?

 

[VaGent]

The first item looks to me to be a reins guide, no idea about the second items.

 

[Mud Hut]

Cool finds! How big are the plates and what do you think they are made of?

See this: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1860-smiths-patent-match-safe-1795277296

 

[cudamark]

Agreed, rein guide and a match safe.

 

[Red-Coat]

Yes, the second item is the casing for Albert M. Smith's (of New York, NY) patent match case:

 

[CRUSADER]

The first item looks to me to be a reins guide, no idea about the second items.

Yes & it had a swinger in the centre.

 

[Lenrac2]

See this: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1860-smiths-patent-match-safe-1795277296

You nailed it Mud Hut!

 

[CRUSADER]

Yes & it had a swinger in the centre.

TERRETS / SWINGERS

A rare six bell formation antique bell terret with a beautiful red, white and blue horse hair flowing plume. Circa 1900. In excellent condition. All bells have their clappers and ring loud and...

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Here is what the terret swinger would look like.

 

[Red-Coat]

The first item looks to me to be a reins guide, no idea about the second items.

TERRETS / SWINGERS

A rare six bell formation antique bell terret with a beautiful red, white and blue horse hair flowing plume. Circa 1900. In excellent condition. All bells have their clappers and ring loud and...

collectorshorsebrasses.weebly.com

Here is what the terret swinger would look like.

Agreed, but this particular type of terret ring with a swinger was not a rein guide. It served a different purpose. The movement of the swinger was intended to keep flies off the horses. They were sold under various names, but most 19th Century catalogues refer to them as "Fly Head Terrets". More information on history and usage here:

The National Horse Brass Society - Terrets (Swingers)

Terrets (Swingers)

www.nationalhorsebrasssociety.org.uk

 

[kmk]

Gentleman,
I truly thank your for your help with this, and hope that I can return the favor in the future. You guys are great!!!!!!!

 

[CRUSADER]

If happy please 'Mark as Solved'

 

[pepperj]

TERRETS / SWINGERS

A rare six bell formation antique bell terret with a beautiful red, white and blue horse hair flowing plume. Circa 1900. In excellent condition. All bells have their clappers and ring loud and...

collectorshorsebrasses.weebly.com

Here is what the terret swinger would look like.

Agreed, but this particular type of terret ring with a swinger was not a rein guide. It served a different purpose. The movement of the swinger was intended to keep flies off the horses. They were sold under various names, but most 19th Century catalogues refer to them as "Fly Head Terrets". More information on history and usage here:

The National Horse Brass Society - Terrets (Swingers)

Terrets (Swingers)

www.nationalhorsebrasssociety.org.uk

Well I also thank you gentlemen for the links and the explanation on swinger vs a rein guide.

In digging for a 1/2 century over here it's something I believe I have never dug as of yet is a swinger.
Lots of rein guides-now I got to go check to see......
Great day when a new is learnt.

Congrats to you KmK for the recovery.

 

[VaGent]

Agreed, but this particular type of terret ring with a swinger was not a rein guide. It served a different purpose. The movement of the swinger was intended to keep flies off the horses. They were sold under various names, but most 19th Century catalogues refer to them as "Fly Head Terrets". More information on history and usage here:

The National Horse Brass Society - Terrets (Swingers)

Terrets (Swingers)

www.nationalhorsebrasssociety.org.uk

Thanks Red-Coat, you taught me something new today!

 

[GDub62]

Two awesome finds. Have found reign guides before but never a swinger. Can add that to my bucket list

 

[GDub62]

Two awesome finds. Have found reign guides before but never a swinger. Can add that to my bucket list

Didn't mean to copy what you said pepper j. Thinking the same thing, same time