Found my Fourth Martingale of the Year Today!

[ANTIQUARIAN]

I detected this site again for 2.5hrs this morning. This is where I have found 3 British martingales and 12 Isaac Campbell buckles in the past month. Winter is definitely coming as my hands, face and feet were almost as frozen as the ground today!
I started making finds almost immediately, first was the 1834 - 1934 Toronto Centennial / 1914 – 1934 Canadian Corps Re-Union Commemorative Pin, then the ‘love token’ Watch Fob, then a black glass ‘Anchor Button’ (I’d love to know when this dates to) and another Isaac Campbell Buckle.
Then I got a strong 85 – 86 at 6” and out came my 4th British Martingale find of 2014!

I also love the ‘therapeutic’ horseshoe and the horseshoe half!
Thanks very much for looking,
Dave

 

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[RelicMedic]

Totally mind blowing bud! Congratulations!! I'm officially adding one of those to the wish list...probably never find one though, unless you lose one on the east coast lol. Well done bro.

 

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[Carolina Tom]

Once again, are you hunting an old Martingale factory site?

Congrats on another sweet find. GL&HH.

 

[BosnMate]

Question. I'm not familiar with the location those badges were used on horse tack. Were they on British Cavalry saddle breast collars, or were they found on work harness, or both? By work harness I mean artillery, ambulance, supply wagons, that type of harness. Not all work harness had a neck collar -- breast collar harness was also used for different applications. If those were decorations on military harness, then perhaps the locals were farming using surplus or "borrowed" harness. Otherwise I think it would take a Cavalry camp at that location for a long period of time to build up that many of those in one place. But if a farmer was using teams wearing surplus harness, he would tend to wear the harness out more than the military would. Just my train of thought. Also the military had to make or buy hay for their horses, so the army could have been mowing hay in that meadow, although McCormick didn't invent the mowing machine -- without looking it up -- until the mid 1800's, but that doesn't mean 1820's harness wasn't being used. I used surplus WWI era US Army harness in the early 1960's. Also, not an ox shoe, it's a worn in two horse shoe, and as was already said, a therapeutic bar shoe to correct some condition on a horse's foot.

 

[ANTIQUARIAN]

Totally mind blowing bud! Congratulations!! I'm officially adding one of those to the wish list...probably never find one though, unless you lose one on the east coast lol. Well done bro.

Thanks very much buddy!
There are a lot of British Military relics found on the east Coast Ace, you just need to speak to the 'older' locals, they'll tell you all you need to know and more!
Dave

Once again, are you hunting an old Martingale factory site?

Congrats on another sweet find. GL&HH.

I don't know about that Tom, but there was certainly something going on here... but I don't think it was military related?
Dave

Question. I'm not familiar with the location those badges were used on horse tack. Were they on British Cavalry saddle breast collars, or were they found on work harness, or both? By work harness I mean artillery, ambulance, supply wagons, that type of harness. Not all work harness had a neck collar -- breast collar harness was also used for different applications. If those were decorations on military harness, then perhaps the locals were farming using surplus or "borrowed" harness. Otherwise I think it would take a Cavalry camp at that location for a long period of time to build up that many of those in one place. But if a farmer was using teams wearing surplus harness, he would tend to wear the harness out more than the military would. Just my train of thought. Also the military had to make or buy hay for their horses, so the army could have been mowing hay in that meadow, although McCormick didn't invent the mowing machine -- without looking it up -- until the mid 1800's, but that doesn't mean 1820's harness wasn't being used. I used surplus WWI era US Army harness in the early 1960's. Also, not an ox shoe, it's a worn in two horse shoe, and as was already said, a therapeutic bar shoe to correct some condition on a horse's foot.

Thank you very much for your interest in my find BosnMate!

This piece is a Victorian Period (1837 - 1901) British Army Mounted Officer’s Breastplate/Martingale Badge. I will include a couple of pics here of how it was worn by the horse.

"This is a general service pattern, pre-1902 martingale badge, which seems to have featured a Guelphic crown, perhaps in association with Prince Albert. They were worn across the horse's chest. This would have been worn on the chest of the horse held by three straps, two on either side of its flanks from beneath the saddle with a third, central strap, running beneath the horses' chest to the girth strap. The strap originally attached the underside of the noseband to the girth, in order to keep the horse's head down. Either the badge or the leather pad on which it sits is in many cases heart shaped, reflecting that it (the badge) sits over the horses’ heart. There were also regimental versions and the crown changed with the sovereign, just as with cap badges and other insignia. Invariably martingale badges took the same 'garter' shape as that adopted as a template for Glengarry badges and, similarly, the centre often bore a unit motif."

This is an interesting theory.... "the military had to make or buy hay for their horses, so the army could have been mowing hay in that meadow, although McCormick didn't invent the mowing machine -- without looking it up -- until the mid 1800's, but that doesn't mean 1820's harness wasn't being used". It has also been suggested that this site might have had a small saddlery or tack shop onsite which 'recycled' the leather straps but dis-guarded the hardware. This could explain the lack of military buttons and coins.

Thanks again for your post,
Dave

 

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[slowwevo]

wow,and I think I read on an earlier post from you they are rare,are the 4 you found this year all you have found? or are there more in your collection

 

[ANTIQUARIAN]

wow,and I think I read on an earlier post from you they are rare,are the 4 you found this year all you have found? or are there more in your collection

I can't say exactly how 'rare' they are, but I haven't found any others posted here on Treasure Net nor any other MD site else for that matter.
You know how it works though, once someone finds one others are sure to turn up!

I found all of these this year beginning on August 7 and found my 4th yesterday.
The first one came from a site in Eastern Ontario and this one from a site east of Toronto.

Here's a link to post of the first one I found.

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/t...ly-find-war-1812-british-hat-badge-today.html


Thanks for your interest and best of luck to you,
Dave

 

[Zodiacdiverdave]

Hole cow Dave, congrats, you have no room in that hand of yours to fit any more of those. I am willing to bet that there must have been a stable at that site and if there was a stable, there must have been a camp or small fortress handy. Maybe next year you might find the mother load. Those other finds are not too shaby either.
ZDD

 

[ANTIQUARIAN]

Hole cow Dave, congrats, you have no room in that hand of yours to fit any more of those. I am willing to bet that there must have been a stable at that site and if there was a stable, there must have been a camp or small fortress handy. Maybe next year you might find the mother load. Those other finds are not too shaby either.
ZDD

Funny, my wife say's that she wishes I had bigger hands too... I wonder what she means by that?!

Thanks very much Dave, you never know eh!

Looks like you and Rick had a great year too, best of luck to you my friend!
Dave

 

[Ahab8]

Funny, my wife say's that she wishes I had bigger hands too... I wonder what she means by that?! Thanks very much Dave, you never know eh! Looks like you and Rick had a great year too, best of luck to you my friend! Dave

Small hands make other things look bigger lol

 

[romeo-1]

All right...enough...you're cut off!!

 

[ANTIQUARIAN]

Small hands make other things look bigger lol

Try telling that to my wife!
I've gone so far as to put a mirror over our bed with the words, "objects in the mirror are larger than they appear"!

All right...enough...you're cut off!!

I'm used to hearing that at the bar romeo, but not here!

Thanks buddy,
Dave

 

[jewelerguy]

if you find any more of those and have to start lining them up your arm, you're gonna need a panoramic view camera

 

[Iron Patch]

What?!

Guess he has something against Canadians, unless you've also been dating his daughter.

 

[ANTIQUARIAN]

Guess he has something against Canadians, unless you've also been dating his daughter.

Yeah, his post doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[The Rebel]

Dave HUGE congratz to you buddy! Thanks also for the education of what these were used for. Can't wait to see what pops out next!

 

[Tnmountains]

MaineRelic has taken some much needed time off from the site. 4 martingales in all. One is amazing but to have 4? You are taking the rarity away

 

[Iron Patch]

MaineRelic has taken some much needed time off from the site. 4 martingales in all. One is amazing but to have 4? You are taking the rarity away

Obviously the dude has problems and hope he can get it together. The funny part is I was only minutes away from replying to his finds post, and had no idea what was stewing around in his brain.

 

[ANTIQUARIAN]

Dave HUGE congratz to you buddy! Thanks also for the education of what these were used for. Can't wait to see what pops out next!

Thanks very much for your post Rebel!
I learn something new here on Tnet all the time!

Best of luck to you,
Dave

MaineRelic has taken some much needed time off from the site. 4 martingales in all. One is amazing but to have 4? You are taking the rarity away

I hope MaineRelic has a relaxing time off from Tnet, because it sure sounds like he needs a holiday!

Thanks for your post and for 'handling' of the the situation!
Dave

Obviously the dude has problems and hope he can get it together. The funny part is I was only minutes away from replying to his finds post, and had no idea what was stewing around in his brain.

I hear you IP... but 'cabin fever' usually doesn't set in until February!
Dave

 

[Greylock]

Congrats on another great find. Wonder how many more there could be waiting for you.
As for that guy, I missed his post and it was deleted, but this is not his first time disrespecting the site and members who are apart of it. Oh well. Good luck on your next trip