thanks oddrock, I hear ya. some people get really mad if you don't follow there rules and the kings rules,lol. that's why I post on this site. if they don't like what I post on my thread, then don't look. to bad for them, i hunt the way I want to, thats my rule. there are some that are trying to control people thoughts on treasure hunting. and putting out misinfo4mation,and sending people away from the cache site. i know, because they did it to me. but I found the truth. I posted some photo bait once I knew the truth, and sure enough, out of the goodness of there expert heart, they sent me away from the cache. I got there # for sure. I feel bad for the ones that its still being done to. I have seen photos that they showed the expert for help, and he did the same thing. instead of telling them they are there, he sent them off.i just wish people would share more of there photos.it seems I learn the most from them. yea, there out there, trying control the info.