Found after 500 years, the wreck of Christopher Columbus’s flagship the Santa Maria

Bobadilla said:
Hi folks,


By my opinion, it is NOT TRUTH. Barry Clifford went to Haiti searching for Santa Maria 11 years ago, he spent there three months and he left with empty hands, he did not find absolutely anything. He claims that he photographed the shipwreck and then he found out that it could be Santa Maria. If somebody claims something like that, he should go to the closest library and read at least one book about the first voyage of Columbus. Then he would know that all the timbers from the ship were used as a building material for the fort of La Navidad. What can be found at the place could be just dispersed rests and may be some artifacts, but not a shipwreck. Also, Santa Maria did not crash against the reef, but she grounded on a sand bank. If Barry Clifford would really find a cannon from 15th century while searching for Santa Maria, he would never be quiet for another 11 years. Such a cannon at the place can be called almost as a hard evidence.


It is really sad that the world's media just repeat the report of somebody without doing even the slightest research about the facts.

Regards,
Bobadilla
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Hi Bobadilla, I agree with you, and do not forget the Santa Maria's bell.
 

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Lubos and Claudio,
Your information is correct. I am in the process of relating my story of locating the Santa Maria back in 1973, to a journalist from George Mason U. My good friend Dr. Ray McAllister of Florida Atlantic U. was sending an expedition to Haiti with over a million dollars in funding, and after speaking with me called it off. I worked for three years with a catholic priest in Cap Haitian reading everything we could find, even material in the Vatican. We discovered the evidence of exactly where the Santa Maria lies.
 

So - where is the real Santa Maria? Why hasn't it come to light?
 

Read Bobadilla's post. The ship was taken apart and the wood used to build the fort La Navidad.
 

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Salvor6 said:
Read Bobadilla's post. The ship was taken apart and the wood used to build the fort La Navidad.
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Back in 1990 a person both you and I either know or know of( won't name names) was part of a venture that they called the Santa Maria Expidition . They supposedly found the remains of Columbus's flagship in Hati. Monies were quickly raised, boats, motors, shirts and hats were purchased it was a sure thing. Well they never left the US, I got a hat. I agree with Salvor6 , definitive proof will be very hard to accomplish. But it seems like funding isn't.
 

Christmas Day, 1492 the Santa Maria had gently run aground. The tide was falling, and the owner of the vessel failed to put the kedge anchor out, so she rolled over. Columbus said this is Gods will, so I will build a fort here and call it Navidad (nativity). He took the Nina out to the Santa Maria and fired two lombard shots into the hull to impress the local people. They removed everything, and used the timbers to build the fort.
 

Hi Goldminer,
I fully agree with you, just one small correction - the name "La Navidad" does not mean "nativity", but in Spanish it means "Christmas", because Columbus wrecked his flagship on the 24th of December.

Regards,
Lobo
 

It would be awesome if they found any manuscript, it would be interesting to read the exciting journey of santa maria.
 

Haiti - Heritage : Barry Clifford is no longer allowed to continue its underwater excavations in Haiti
08/07/2014 11:15:03

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Monday at a press conference at the Musée du Panthéon National Haïtien (MUPANAH) Monique Rocourt Minister of Culture provided an update on "the discovery" last May, of a wreck off the north coast of Haiti by explorer Barry Clifford, better known as a professional treasure hunter, which asserts that it is the remains of Santa Maria (flagship of Christopher Columbus) Haiti - Culture : The possible discovery of the wreck of Santa Maria under surveillance - HaitiLibre.com, Haiti News, The haitian people's voice

Stating that the Government in this case is very cautious, the Minister declared that there was no certainty about the name of this wreck, which had also been located well before Barry Clifford, through studies conducted between 1978 and 1985 by the University of Florida with the permission of the Haitian government.

The Minister indicated that following the request for technical assistance from the Government of Haiti to the Scientific Council of the UNESCO Convention, in a letter dated June 12,Haiti - Culture : UNESCO will assist on the supposed wreck of Santa Maria - HaitiLibre.com, Haiti News, The haitian people's voice the Scientific Commission of the UNESCO has deemed non-compliant, the method proposed by Mr. Clifford to perform underwater excavations on alleged remains of the Santa Maria and that the team proposed for this work was not qualified. Following the recommendations of UNESCO, the Government of Haiti rejects the proposition of the explorer and no longer authorizes him to continue its underwater excavations.

In addition, the Minister rejected the state of emergency invoked by Barry Clifford, saying that the wreck was protected by several meters of sediment and showed no risk that justifies immediate excavation.

In response to the request of the Haitian government, UNESCO will provide technical assistance and should send in August a team of experts, who will study in depth the wreck.
 

Great shame

The one guy who would have raised the funds to see the project through has been elbowed out to allow the Leeches to suck some glory before they lose interest to suck some glory somewhere else,

All very sad.

VOC
 

VOC said:
Great shame

The one guy who would have raised the funds to see the project through has been elbowed out to allow the Leeches to suck some glory before they lose interest to suck some glory somewhere else,

All very sad.

VOC
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Hey, don't be too critical.

The Spanish did a great job of search and recovery of the Mercedes. It's now seen as a model of marine archaeology.
 

Bravo, Haiti !! Bravo, UNESCO !!

Now the UNESCO "experts" will come in, poke around a bit, declare the wreck "unknown", and then declare that since government funding is not available for excavation, the wreck should be allowed to lie in situ for as long as necessary...even if it takes another 500 years or longer...

It is better for artifacts to rot at the bottom of the sea than to be excavated by private interests !!

Everyone knows that only well connected, government funded, ivory tower archaeologists can possibly be qualified to excavate a wreck.

Barry Clifford, "better known as a professional treasure hunter", is just as bad as those looters associated with the late Mel Fisher...can you imagine what might happen if they were allowed to excavte a wreck like this one ??









 

Bum Luck said:
Hey, don't be too critical.

The Spanish did a great job of search and recovery of the Mercedes. It's now seen as a model of marine archaeology.
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Hey Bum Luck you better check your facts. The Spanish never searched for the Mercedes. They didn't recover anything from the Mercedes. Odyssey Marine did all the work. The rest of the Mercedes is still down there but the Spanish have no way of completing the job.
 

Oh. OK Bum Luck. I will add a "like."
 

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