Fort Knox, is there really gold there

Sad that our own government has lied and deceived us so many times that we can't just take their word for something. If area 51 is just top secret research, I can respect and understand that but I can't accept it to be fact because the government said so. Politicians, (all politicians in my opinion) are pathological liars or are empty headed. Their campaignspeeches always sound like a miss amaerica wi9nner
Unless there’s a secret tunnel from the depths of Fort Knox to Oak Island, I wonder just how many people would need to be complicit in a conspiracy to move gold out of the vaults? And whether that number of people would have been able to keep their mouths shut over the years and maintain the pretence that the gold is still there? Each chamber in the vaults is protected both by electronic codes for which no single person has the complete sequences, as well as by tamper-evident seals. It’s not as if someone could just break (and later repair) the seals, bring in a fleet of forklift trucks and wheel the gold out of the vaults into a convoy of armoured cars without suspicions being raised and questions being asked by those not part of the conspiracy. That would include the troops guarding the site among others. Gold has not routinely been transferred to or from the depository for many years, so any such activity would certainly have been perceived as unusual. Seems completely implausible to me.

The gold is in fact already audited yearly on a regular schedule, with the last audit conducted by the U.S. Treasury in September 2024. It’s true however, that these audits could be claimed as the Treasury ‘marking its own homework’ and that they rely largely on checking the official joint seals that were placed on all vault compartments during the more rigorous audits between 1974 until 1986 when 97% of the gold was inspected. It’s also true that the Treasury was unable to fulfil a Freedom of Information request to produce all of the audit records for those years (thus fuelling the conspiracy claims.)

The last audit that could be considered as “full” was in 1953, but a partial audit was conducted in 1974 (including sampling of the gold for purity testing) by a committee of auditors from the U.S. General Accounting Office and the Department of the Treasury, who drew auditors from the Office of the Secretary, the Bureau of Government Financial Operations, the U.S. Customs Service, and the Bureau of the Mint. The Mint also called on a number of its technicians, trained in assaying and weighing gold bullion.

Just exactly what is going to satisfy Musk, given that for the fraud to have been perpetrated in secret, it would have to have involved a sophisticated series cover-ups and deceptions worthy of a David Copperfield stage illusion?

[Interesting factoid: The gold is held by the Treasury as an asset of the United States at a statutory book value of $42.22 per ounce. It doesn’t fluctuate with the market price of gold and has had that constant book value since 1973.]
If everything is on the up and up, why are certain people so nervous about somebody looking to verify?
 

If everything is on the up and up, why are certain people so nervous about somebody looking to verify?

Who is nervous about it? [Source?]

It's just a waste of time and resources. The conspiracy theorists won't believe the results of a new audit any more than they believe in the yearly audits that already take place.

They'll still be saying that even if the right amount of something that appears to be gold bullion is still there, it's fake.
 

Sad that our own government has lied and deceived us so many times that we can't just take their word for something. If area 51 is just top secret research, I can respect and understand that but I can't accept it to be fact because the government said so. Politicians, (all politicians in my opinion) are pathological liars or are empty headed. Their campaignspeeches always sound like a miss amaerica wi9nner

If everything is on the up and up, why are certain people so nervous about somebody looking to verify?
Waste of time and money. Are you paying? When have these folks ever been caught lying about Knox?

What is your gripe with Area 51? The gov shouldn't have secret military aircraft programs? If you know the enemy knows. Duh. The official position is basically it is none of your biz. And it isn't.
 

Waste of time and money. Are you paying? When have these folks ever been caught lying about Knox?

What is your gripe with Area 51? The gov shouldn't have secret military aircraft programs? If you know the enemy knows. Duh. The official position is basically it is none of your biz. And it isn't.
Give me your address and I will send you a pair of reading glasses. Put them on and go back and read what said about area 51.
 

Give me your address and I will send you a pair of reading glasses. Put them on and go back and read what said about area 51.
here is your A51 : 'If area 51 is just top secret research, I can respect and understand that but I can't accept it to be fact because the government said so.'

Who else should be telling you this?
 

Dammit Trump!
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Ok let's just take everyone's word for everything. Being that said you dont need to know anything, just take thete Word, lol. Sad how far people digreesed. Don't need to think or worry about, living, dying, your money, getting taken advantage of, wow wow. Gee and certain folks that are given facts or truth deny it anyway so whats the point. Im glad im not evil and sick or id take advantage of people such as this. Gee did you ever wonder up to now they did and you still can't accept it being a dollar or a billion unbelievable, good day.
 

What would it physically look like in Fort Knox? How many bars? Of what size? How much value would a cubic yard of gold be worth?
$1,391,574,177.456 in current gold value.
1 cubic yrd of gold weight is 32,500.87 lb
 

Sad that our own government has lied and deceived us so many times that we can't just take their word for something. If area 51 is just top secret research, I can respect and understand that but I can't accept it to be fact because the government said so. Politicians, (all politicians in my opinion) are pathological liars or are empty headed. Their campaignspeeches always sound like a miss amaerica wi9nner

If everything is on the up and up, why are certain people so nervous about somebody looking to verify?
Obvious there's not a law on the books thats dents you from seeing the truth, the only people that deny that probably, I say probably have something to hide. I dont see a problem wanting the truth, seems like a stupid subject wanting to know the truth.
 

Appreciate everyone opinions, I just didn't know wanting and asking for the truth had major push back, very sad day, very sad day, utterly unbelievable, just trust everything and everyone, take care, done
 

Ok let's just take everyone's word for everything. Being that said you dont need to know anything, just take thete Word, lol. Sad how far people digreesed. Don't need to think or worry about, living, dying, your money, getting taken advantage of, wow wow. Gee and certain folks that are given facts or truth deny it anyway so whats the point. Im glad im not evil and sick or id take advantage of people such as this. Gee did you ever wonder up to now they did and you still can't accept it being a dollar or a billion unbelievable, good day.
Personally I don't care about the gold in the US vaults. It was there before I was born and it'll be there after I'm dead. I have no personal right to any of it, it belongs to the citizens of the US as a whole, not individually. If they want to do a physical audit of the gold, fine, then do it.

What I don't like is all the manufactured drama over this and many other issues. If someone wants an audit, then simply direct the Treasury to do an audit for cryin' outside. There's no need to raise a conspiracy on every issue that comes along. It's just exhausting to be in this mode continuously. And, yes, I would accept the word of the auditors over the word of the people who are creating the drama, people who are very well known to be untrustworthy.

Treasury should just kill this whole issue by requiring a full physical audit every 25 years where all the vaults are opened and the gold tested, weighed, and inventoried. Take a few pics along the way and make a nice web page.
 

Hey Chilli my friend....

I have to say.... and no offense intended....
After reading your posts over your time here about Australia and its "ways"....
I have a bald spot from scratching my head so much.

This statement about the UK holding Ausies gold is um...... another bald spot due.
I mean....
Would any one of you out there let someone else far away hold your gold ? ? ?

IF SO...
You can send yours this direction..... I will hold it for you :)
All good. I tend to have that affect on people.

Yep they've had it for ages and it makes no sense to me though I'm sure it does to the thief country who built up their wealth from taking it from others left right and center. They keep giving the silent treatment on our gold. It's probably gone.
That about our gold reminds me of a guy I worked for in the gold. As the new 2000s gold rush in Africa started to really kick off he went there, got in early, and set up selling detectors, shipping them to them. He was taken to various areas they were getting nuggets in the Sudan and some other place. At one area he said he was amazed at all the old mullock heaps and shallow leads that looked just like the gold workings in Victoria. He asked the guy about the history of it. Late 1800s the British knew about the gold and sent soldiers there to put the locals in the villages to work on the gold. After a few yrs when they had exhausted all the good ground before the British left they killed them all and kept all the gold. They tried to cover there tracks so to speak but a few survived to tell the story. Apparently they did that in a number of areas back then. A bit of unofficial history there. Their gold lust knew no bounds.
 

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I don't see how auditing Ft. Knox is a "conspiracy theory." It belongs to Americans. Open the vault, count/weigh it, close the vault. Not rocket science. As far as keeping the gold at a constant value. If it is your house would you want it to keep a constant value? Buy it in 1990 for 100K, 2025 still 100K? Didn't think so.
 

I don't see how auditing Ft. Knox is a "conspiracy theory." It belongs to Americans. Open the vault, count/weigh it, close the vault. Not rocket science. As far as keeping the gold at a constant value. If it is your house would you want it to keep a constant value? Buy it in 1990 for 100K, 2025 still 100K? Didn't think so.

The auditing is not a conspiracy theory. The claimed conspiracy relates to a belief that the gold is no longer there because the government has secretly sold it or used it for some undisclosed purpose.

Fixed book value for gold is a long-standing economic strategy that has worked in favour of attracting investors to the dollar and the U.S. economy, as well as giving stability to the accounting as I explained in posts #77 and #79. Whether America still needs that carrot for investors is something the government will find out if they decide to change it.
 

Well.... The Dents Run Gold should be the 1st thing they audit / see.....
 

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