Fort Knox, is there really gold there

If there were fears, then the best way to go about it is to quietly find out before doing everything possible to lower the potentially catastrophic effects on the economy if they find a significant amount missing.
Why should there be any catastrophic effect? The dollar is not backed by gold. Not at all. Not even a little bit. Every dollar is a debt, an obligation backed by "the full faith and credit of the United States Government". In theory, the Federal Reserve Act says you can redeem a federal reserve note (a paper dollar) in lawful money at the treasury or any federal reserve bank. But unfortunately, most people, including the courts, have equated the terms "legal tender" and "lawful money", so in reality, you really can't redeem those notes for anything at all.
 

The West Point NY mint makes a lot of gold commemorative coins. West Point was designated a gold depository in 1938. It turned into a full blown mint in 1988. I saw pictures of the gold stored there fairly recently. Rack after rack of gold bars. I’m betting we still have 8100 tons of gold in the several depositories.
 

I don't see what the issue is here. The president is auditing the government as is his right. Ft. Knox is supposed to have the United States gold there so let's see it, count it, move on.

I am not sure anybody is saying the leader of the country is not allowed to inspect their gold reserves. It is the theatrics surrounding the event that I find confusing.

Why should there be any catastrophic effect? The dollar is not backed by gold. Not at all. Not even a little bit. Every dollar is a debt, an obligation backed by "the full faith and credit of the United States Government". In theory, the Federal Reserve Act says you can redeem a federal reserve note (a paper dollar) in lawful money at the treasury or any federal reserve bank. But unfortunately, most people, including the courts, have equated the terms "legal tender" and "lawful money", so in reality, you really can't redeem those notes for anything at all.

I can certainly see losing $400B wiping a few points off investor confidence for a start.
 

Note to anyone getting gold from Fort Knox.... Bite it ........

Hi, my jokes aside. Our Aussie Gold has been held in UK vaults for decades upon decades. Every attempt for an explanation over that time has been met with ........................................................
The UK has "Our Gold" and keeps refusing to give us an explanation.
Der.....they no longer have our Gold!
They've screwed Australia....... again.....
Great Southern Land my ..##&.......... more like great southern UK bank!$

The Bank of England holds around one-fifth of the world’s gold in its secure vaults, the second largest holder after the New York Federal Reserve. But it’s not all ours. The gold is a mixture of our own national reserves, the national reserves from around 30 other countries (including 99.9% of Australia’s gold), and various investors.

The reasons are simple. London is the world’s largest trading centre for gold (around 70% of global trading), allowing ready access to the market; the BoE vaults provide a secure and cost-effective storage facility (including for small countries and those which are politically unstable); its audit procedures are trusted; and most gold market participants prefer to take delivery in London.

The BoE holds gold in two ways: individually serial-numbered bars that are specifically attributable to the actual owners (allocated gold); and other bars which meet the London Bullion Market Association’s (LBMA’s) ‘Good Delivery’ standards as a general ‘pool’ to which customers have an entitlement in line with their deposits but not the specific bars they originally deposited (unallocated gold).

The gold holdings do not accrue interest, but are revalued twice per day in line with the LBMA gold price and the owners of the gold directly experience the consequent changes in value of what they own (both up and down).

Some countries lend their gold on the market for profit, generally without the bars themselves being physically moved. In the case of Australia, which has participated in the lending market for more than 30 years, there have been times when they have lent out almost all of their gold (notably around 2003). The returns from which they have benefited would not have been achievable had the gold been stored in Australia.

In the last few weeks, about 2% of the gold held by BoE but in ownership of international banks (notably JPMorgan and HSBC) has been shipped to New York City, arising from the looming threat of tariffs for imports to the US and investor fears that Trump is about to start a global trade war. Gold inventories in New York have doubled since Trump was elected. Both JPMorgan and HSBC (among others) often lend out their gold on the London market to borrowers who need to use it as collateral and charge interest on the loan, while hedging against price decreases by selling gold futures in New York.

Traders are nervous that the 25% tariffs Trump has imposed on steel and aluminium imports will be further extended to precious metals, so some are moving their gold to the US before that happens. Consequently, the futures market price in New York has, at least temporarily, surged above the London cash price. Banks are, in essence ‘shorting’ the price of gold. Moving gold out of London to New York is not a straightforward process. It’s usually transported on commercial flights as the cheapest option, but via refiners in Switzerland where the gold is melted and recast because Comex contracts in the US require bars of different size than LBMA standards.
 

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I’m part Missourian on this one: Show Me.
I’m somewhat of a trusting person, but after years of being lied to about many issues, I prefer proof.
If you catch a Bigfoot, I’ll reserve judgment until I see it.
 

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The gold is (mostly) there, but has been leased out. Could be the reason why gold is flying to the USA.
Or not.
 

Why does it bother Americans to want and see our depisit of gold, unbelievable. Obviously if I told you something your going to tell me prove it, this is Americans money. So simple yet people ignore this like everything else, now that's ignorance. Show and tell and move on so dam simple.
 

It's our gold. I want to see it. How about starting Ft. Knox tours where we could see it for ourselves?
Yeah and they can charge a fee for that. I wouldn't want the government to run my garage sale, its proven they waste and spend like a drunken sailor. After all its your tax dollars.
 

Yeah and they can charge a fee for that. I wouldn't want the government to run my garage sale, its proven they waste and spend like a drunken sailor. After all its your tax dollars.
Why would there be a fee? Does the White House charge for tours?
 

Why would there be a fee? Does the White House charge for tours?
Oh most certainly a fee the government never turns down money and would require it, lol. Nothing free, dying isn't free it cost.
 

From Wiki:

"For security reasons, visitors are not allowed inside the depository grounds [of Fort Knox]. There have been only three reported occasions when guests outside the Treasury Department have made inspection tours of the vault. The first was by President Franklin Roosevelt in 1943. A second inspection was made by members of the United States Congress and the news media on September 23, 1974, led by the Director of the United States Mint, Mary Brooks. The tour was in response to a conspiracy theory, circulated by Peter Beter, that elites had secretly removed the gold in the depository and that the vaults were empty. The third inspection tour was on August 21, 2017, when Kentucky Senator Mitch McConnell visited with a small group of officials and staff, including Secretary of the Treasury Steven Mnuchin. According to a tweet by Mnuchin, and an internal email by Chief of the U.S. Mint Police Dennis O'Connor, he was the first Treasury Secretary to visit the depository since John Wesley Snyder in 1948."

You Americans do love your conspiracy theories.

The figures vary from time to time, but Fort Knox probably currently holds about 4,583 tons of the United States' gold reserves, with a further 1,682 tons at West Point, and 1,384 tons at Denver. The Federal Reserve Bank of New York holds more, at around 6,350 tons but over 95% of that is stored for foreign governments or international investors and does not belong to the US.
 

Well red coat appreciate your information, but bull sh@#$ walks, that’s all about to change, like trump or not transparency and or truth is in business, all the others had an opportunity to show and tell, what’s the big deal about seeing the gold, nobody’s going to put it in there pockets.Unfortunately we can’t trust anyone and if you do you simply don’t care. Oh by the way we are allowed to see the gold it’s the people’s money, and if not, I guarantee you we will see it soon to confirm, this isn’t a joke, United States can’t bullsh@# there way forever
 

Conspiracies are not conspiracies when you can prove them differently, so many people living in a phone booth, most of you seriously must be brainwashed in the government way of thinking, less you know, stupidity at its highest degree.
 

Just my opinion I would think the gold would be at an undisclosed location
My friend it’s disclosed for years, Fort Knox, what’s the big deal,I don’t see anyone trying to steal it, let’s see it.
 

Security and secrecy are not the same thing. Secrecy spells deceit at hand. This is not like a secret for national security such as worrying about someone copying technology if it is seen. Lies are hidden in the shadows. Truth will bask in the sunlight.

I think this national cleansing should including an verification of all tangible assets regardless of where they are stored. If things go good maybe some trust can be restored. If it goes bad then answers are needed.
 

Simple question, why do most Americans not want the truth, that’s bothersome, are they that ignorant, stupid, or don’t want to exercise there brains, they’ve been dumbed down, look I realize life is hard just paying for basic necessities, but don’t ever ever think that anything doesn’t concern you, ask questions your aloud, it’s different times like know other, open minded, and truth with set you free.
 

Simple question, why do most Americans not want the truth, that’s bothersome, are they that ignorant, stupid, or don’t want to exercise there brains, they’ve been dumbed down, look I realize life is hard just paying for basic necessities, but don’t ever ever think that anything doesn’t concern you, ask questions your aloud, it’s different times like know other, open minded, and truth with set you free.
I think most Americans want "the truth", for me it's just the way this current administration is going about with the "tear it all down" mentality!
 

I think most Americans want "the truth", for me it's just the way this current administration is going about with the "tear it all down" mentality!
What exactly are they tearing down Ron? Too much Truth at once? It's not like this is a first that people are curious about how much is there, if any.
 

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