Forrest Fenn's Treasure - Clue Compilation
Additional clues added on May 8, 2016 are highlighted in bold lettering
I created this thread in the hopes of helping fellow Forrest Fenn treasure seekers connect the dots and find the treasure. I have been sorely disappointed in most forums and websites devoted to the search. More often than not (despite the best efforts of moderators to keep a thread respectful and on subject ) the forums deteriorate into name calling, hocus-pocus, ego-boosting and a lot of useless chatter. Often becoming so cluttered and convoluted that an entire weekend of digging is required to find a single âgemâ.
There is also the simple matter that very few want to give up âgoodâ information lest it lead someone else to the treasure before them.
In an effort to share what I know about the location of Forest Fenn's treasure I have gathered everything I have collected over the years and made it available here. I have tried to remain as factual as possible but obviously there will always be some overlap between facts and conjecture - so please do not think I am an authority on anything. This information may lead you in the right direction or it might send you down a rabbit hole.
Please keep in mind, I have no answers and I am as blind as everyone else. I am nothing more than a fellow treasure seeker like yourselves and I do not know where the treasure is, but I do believe it exists and is out there waiting for anyone who can figure out the 9 clues and find it.
For some of you who have been on the hunt for a while now there may be nothing new here, but for those new to the chase this might help you get your search off the ground. I encourage anyone who would like to contribute anything, preferably more factual than conjecture, to please do so. If there is anything here that is incorrect then please feel to chime in an let us all know.
I wish everyone the best. Happy Hunting!
Here's the Poem;
A straightforward analysis the poemâs components;
Strong suppositions
Weak suppositions
Here's the clues that I know;
Comments made by FF
â˘Donât let logic distract you from the poem (2-12-2016)
â˘Chest weights 42 pounds plus, best to have gloves (3-11-2016)
â˘If you know precisely where it is you can probably retrieve it in any weather (12-11-2015)
â˘Shut your engine off until spring (12-04-2015)
â˘A good solve is frequently lost in a poor execution (1-15-2016)
â˘âUntil someone finds the treasure they will not know for sure that they have discovered the first clue.â (Dalâs Blog â âForrest Gets Mail â 9 / November 2, 2015)
â˘âThe problem searchers make is that they donât dwell long enough on the first clue. If you canât find the first clue you donât have anything. People driving down the street looking for a blaze, because THATâS ONE OF THE CLUES, but you canât start in the middle of the poem and find the treasure.â (Outside: Live Bravely â August 11, 2015)
â˘âIf I was standing where the treasure chest is, I see trees, I see mountains, I see animals, Iâll smell wonderful smells of pine needles or pinon nuts, sage brush. And I know the treasure chest is wet.â â (New Mexico True Story â February 4, 2015)
â˘Forrest responded the next day saying â âI just watched that New Mexico Tourism video again and must say that I didnât say what I was thinking. You cannot smell a pinon nut, but those who pick them know that in doing so you get pine pitch all over your hands, and pine pitch smells about the same no matter what kind of pine tree you are talking about. Looking back I think I wanted to say I could smell pine needles, not pinon nuts. Sorry I kicked a hornetâs nest with that comment.â â (Dalâs Blog â Forrest LIVE on HuffPost.. / February 5, 2015)
â˘Another response â âThat video didnât have any clues.â âFenn said if the treasure were in the wilderness, of course it would be wetâŚ.he erred in mentioning pinon nuts. He really meant pine needlesâ â (The New Mexican â February 8, 2015)
â˘What surprises me a little is that nobody to my uncertain knowledge has analyzed one important possibility related to the winning solve.â (MysteriousWritings Blog â Six Questions Yet Again with Forrest Fenn: Always a Treasure! / February 4, 2015)
â˘âI will say that I walked less than a few miles (whole trip of hiding the chest and treasure) if that will help. I just looked âfewâ up and one definition is âscant.â Why do I sound like Iâm talking in circlesâ â (MysteriousWritings Blog â Talking in Circles/ October 13, 2014)
â˘âWhile itâs not impossible to remove the blaze it isnât feasible to try, and I am certain itâs still thereâ (Dalâs Blog â The Nine CluesâŚPart Thirtyone / September 26, 2014)
â˘âThere are many places in the Rocky Mountains where warm waters halt, and nearly all of them are north of Santa Fe. Look at the big picture, there are no short cuts.â (MysteriousWritings Blog â Featured Questions: Warm Waters and Geography / August 12, 2014)
â˘âThe spot where I hid the treasure was in my mind from the time I first started thinking about the chase. It is special to me and there was never another consideration. I was going to make it work no matter what. In my reverie I often find myself stealing away to that place and I will always consider it to be mine.â (MysteriousWritings Blog â Questions with Forrest / July 5, 2014)
â˘âWhen I am in the moutains or in the desert, the last place I want to be is on a trailâŚ..There isnât a human trail in very close proximaty to where I hid the treasureâ (MysteriousWritings Blog â Questions with Forrest / June 28, 2014)
â˘âNo specialized knowledge is requiredâŚ..My Thrill of the Chase book is enough to lead an average person to the treasureâ (MysteriousWritings Blog â Questions with Forrest / June 27, 2014)
â˘âThe clues did not exist when I was a kid but of most of the places the clues refer to did. I think they might still exist in 100 years.â (MysteriousWritings Blog â Questions with Forrest / June 25, 2014)
â˘âMany are giving serious thought to the clues in my poem, but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key.â (MysteriousWritings Blog â Questions with Forrest / February 4, 2014)
â˘âWhen I hid it and was walking back to my car, I started laughing out loud and I said âForrest FennâŚdid you really do that?ââ â (Moby Dickens Book Shop Signing / November 2, 2013)
â˘âThere are several people that have deciphered the first two clues. I donât think they knew it, because they walked right on past the treasure chest.ââ (Moby Dickens Book Shop Signing / November 2, 2013)
â˘âI think kids have an advantage (finding the treasure). Donât ask me to explain that.â â (Moby Dickens Book Shop Signing / November 2, 2013)
â˘ââŚthatâs why I told people I hid the treasure chest when I was 79 or 80 years old because I donât want the exact date to be known because Iâm afraid somebody will go check the rental car records and how many miles did Mr. Fenn put on the truck or the carâŚso I donât answer those kinda questionsâŚbut shoot that person that sent in that emailâŚâ â (Moby Dickens Book Shop Signing / November 2, 2013)
â˘âI have not had anybody tell me the answer to that clue (the unintended one in TFTW). If you read my preface it doesnât take a genius to figure out, I think, what theyâre talking about butâŚthere are clues in my new book that can help a person.â â â (Moby Dickens Book Shop Signing / November 2, 2013)
â˘âIâve said before the treasure chest is heavy. And itâŚI made two trips to hide it where I wanted it to be.â â (Collected Works Bookstore Signing / October 22, 2013)
â˘âWhat is wrong with me just riding my bike out there and throwing it in the âwater highâ when I am through with it?â â (Dalâs Blog â âForrest Gets Mail⌠/ October 3, 2012)
â˘âNo need to look for the treasure in a place where a 79 or 80 year old man couldnât go with a 44 pound treasure chest full of gold and precious gems.â â (Dalâs Blog â âForrest Gets Mail⌠/ October 3, 2012)
â˘âMy church is in the mountains and along the river bottoms where dreams and fantasies alike go to playâ (The Thrill of the Chase â page 4
Here's a short personality profile of FF;
Here's what I suspect;
Here is what I think;
Here is a picture of a possible "blaze" created by FF
Here's what Iâve learned first-hand;
Additional clues added on May 8, 2016 are highlighted in bold lettering
I created this thread in the hopes of helping fellow Forrest Fenn treasure seekers connect the dots and find the treasure. I have been sorely disappointed in most forums and websites devoted to the search. More often than not (despite the best efforts of moderators to keep a thread respectful and on subject ) the forums deteriorate into name calling, hocus-pocus, ego-boosting and a lot of useless chatter. Often becoming so cluttered and convoluted that an entire weekend of digging is required to find a single âgemâ.
There is also the simple matter that very few want to give up âgoodâ information lest it lead someone else to the treasure before them.
In an effort to share what I know about the location of Forest Fenn's treasure I have gathered everything I have collected over the years and made it available here. I have tried to remain as factual as possible but obviously there will always be some overlap between facts and conjecture - so please do not think I am an authority on anything. This information may lead you in the right direction or it might send you down a rabbit hole.
Please keep in mind, I have no answers and I am as blind as everyone else. I am nothing more than a fellow treasure seeker like yourselves and I do not know where the treasure is, but I do believe it exists and is out there waiting for anyone who can figure out the 9 clues and find it.
For some of you who have been on the hunt for a while now there may be nothing new here, but for those new to the chase this might help you get your search off the ground. I encourage anyone who would like to contribute anything, preferably more factual than conjecture, to please do so. If there is anything here that is incorrect then please feel to chime in an let us all know.
I wish everyone the best. Happy Hunting!
Here's the Poem;
As I have gone alone in there
And with my treasures bold,
I can keep my secret where,
And hint of riches new and old.
Begin it where warm waters halt
And take it in the canyon down,
Not far, but too far to walk.
Put in below the home of Brown.
From there itâs no place for the meek,
The end is ever drawing nigh;
Thereâll be no paddle up your creek,
Just heavy loads and water high.
If youâve been wise and found the blaze,
Look quickly down, your quest to cease,
But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
Just take the chest and go in peace.
So why is it that I must go
And leave my trove for all to seek?
The answers I already know,
Iâve done it tired, and now Iâm weak.
So hear me all and listen good,
Your effort will be worth the cold.
If you are brave and in the wood
I give you title to the gold.
And with my treasures bold,
I can keep my secret where,
And hint of riches new and old.
Begin it where warm waters halt
And take it in the canyon down,
Not far, but too far to walk.
Put in below the home of Brown.
From there itâs no place for the meek,
The end is ever drawing nigh;
Thereâll be no paddle up your creek,
Just heavy loads and water high.
If youâve been wise and found the blaze,
Look quickly down, your quest to cease,
But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
Just take the chest and go in peace.
So why is it that I must go
And leave my trove for all to seek?
The answers I already know,
Iâve done it tired, and now Iâm weak.
So hear me all and listen good,
Your effort will be worth the cold.
If you are brave and in the wood
I give you title to the gold.
A straightforward analysis the poemâs components;
Strong suppositions
- âWatersâ is plural, while âhaltâ and âwoodâ are singular. This significantly changes the way those lines are read.
- âBrownâ is capitalized making it a proper name.
- What âcoldâ does he mean with âbrave the coldâ? Does that mean that you must get in the water at some point or does he mean something else?
- âNo paddle up your creekâ could mean a dry creek or shallow water.
- âPut inâ is the fishing term for a where a boat goes into the water.
- âHeavy loadsâ is a prospecting term. It refers to the material that need to be removed before gold could be dredge. This material was primarily big rocks or boulders.
- âwater highâ is a fishing term for mountain lakes.
- The word âblazeâ is an old term for leaving a mark. In this sense a blaze the equivalent of âXâ marks the spot.
Weak suppositions
- Perhaps the clues do not start with âBeginâ, rather at someplace he âgone alone in thereâ hinting at it is someplace personal like a private fishing spot.
- âbraveâ could be an indication of something Native American.
- âwiseâ could be referring to an actual river or things associated with being wise such as an owl.
- When he refers to âitâ what exactly is the âitâ he refers to? The quest or something else?
- Perhaps the words âmeekâ âneighâ have no meaning despite what many people think and instead are used simply because they rhyme, much like the words âgazeâ âgoâ and âgood".
Here's the clues that I know;
- The treasure is in a 10â x 10â x 6â bronze box with a total weight of 42lbs.
- The box is unlocked and the key is inside the box.
- The location of the treasure can be found on a good map.
- There are 9 clues in his poem and FF says to follow the clues precisely and in consecutive order.
- FF stated, âDo not mess with my poemâ â meaning there is no cypher, anagram or code.
- There are additional clues for those who can decipher them in FF's book The Thrill of the Chase.
- The treasure is somewhere on the highlighted portion of the map in FF's book Too Far to Walk.
- The treasure is not in a graveyard, an outhouse or associated with any structure.
- Where warm waters halt is not a dam.
- It is not buried.
Not in a mine.
Not in a tunnel someplace
More than 8.35 miles north of Santa Fe
Definitely in the Rocky Mountains
- The chest is exposed to rain and snow and can be scorched in a forest fire.
- The location of the chest must also be large enough to fit his entire body. An early draft of the poem included the line âThen take the chest and leave my bones.â Which might still be the case if FF had his way. He has been quoted saying, âI will not die in a hospital bed if I have a few breaths remaining. I don't want to give any more clues, but if I am not too feeble to return to the chest when my turn comes, I cannot think of any better place for my bones to rest for a few millennia.â â implying the location of the treasure must be secluded and relatively undisturbed.
- FF deposited the treasure in two trips. Meaning the treasure is at a distance a 79 year old man can make twice in one day while carrying the extra weight of the treasure. He was quoted saying, âI made two trips from my car to the hiding place and it was done in one afternoon.â
- FF is quoted saying, âIf I was standing where the treasure chest was I would see trees, mountains, animals and smell pine needles (pinion nuts) and sage.
- FF once said, âThere isnât a human trail in very close proximity to where I hid the treasure.â
- He said when the clues are followed precisely they lead to the end of the rainbow and the treasure.
- The treasure is more than 300 miles North of Toledo.
- It is in the Rocky Mountains.
- It is NOT in Idaho or Utah.
- The four states that might contain the treasure are; Montana, Wyoming, Colorado or New Mexico.
- The treasure is above 5,000 feet and below 10,0000.
- Do NOT go anywhere an 80 year old man could not go.
- It is where a child could pick it up.
- FF thinks the treasure could remain undisturbed for a hundred, even a thousand, years. This implies it is someplace that is not likely to change or be developed any time soon.
- Bring a sandwich and a flashlight. Meaning youâll be out there for a while and the treasure may be tucked away in a place where light does not reach.
- FF knows people have been within 500 feet of the treasure. FF has stated, âSome folks correctly mentioned the first two clues to me in an email and then they went right past the other seven, not knowing that they had been so closeâ.
- In an interview FF was asked if the 9 clues from the poem were in existence when he was a kid and to his estimation would they still exist in 100 years or 1000 years? His answer, âThe clues did not exist when I was a kid but most of the places the clues refer to did. I think they might still exist in 100 years but the geography probably will change before we reach the next millennia.â
Comments made by FF
â˘Donât let logic distract you from the poem (2-12-2016)
â˘Chest weights 42 pounds plus, best to have gloves (3-11-2016)
â˘If you know precisely where it is you can probably retrieve it in any weather (12-11-2015)
â˘Shut your engine off until spring (12-04-2015)
â˘A good solve is frequently lost in a poor execution (1-15-2016)
â˘âUntil someone finds the treasure they will not know for sure that they have discovered the first clue.â (Dalâs Blog â âForrest Gets Mail â 9 / November 2, 2015)
â˘âThe problem searchers make is that they donât dwell long enough on the first clue. If you canât find the first clue you donât have anything. People driving down the street looking for a blaze, because THATâS ONE OF THE CLUES, but you canât start in the middle of the poem and find the treasure.â (Outside: Live Bravely â August 11, 2015)
â˘âIf I was standing where the treasure chest is, I see trees, I see mountains, I see animals, Iâll smell wonderful smells of pine needles or pinon nuts, sage brush. And I know the treasure chest is wet.â â (New Mexico True Story â February 4, 2015)
â˘Forrest responded the next day saying â âI just watched that New Mexico Tourism video again and must say that I didnât say what I was thinking. You cannot smell a pinon nut, but those who pick them know that in doing so you get pine pitch all over your hands, and pine pitch smells about the same no matter what kind of pine tree you are talking about. Looking back I think I wanted to say I could smell pine needles, not pinon nuts. Sorry I kicked a hornetâs nest with that comment.â â (Dalâs Blog â Forrest LIVE on HuffPost.. / February 5, 2015)
â˘Another response â âThat video didnât have any clues.â âFenn said if the treasure were in the wilderness, of course it would be wetâŚ.he erred in mentioning pinon nuts. He really meant pine needlesâ â (The New Mexican â February 8, 2015)
â˘What surprises me a little is that nobody to my uncertain knowledge has analyzed one important possibility related to the winning solve.â (MysteriousWritings Blog â Six Questions Yet Again with Forrest Fenn: Always a Treasure! / February 4, 2015)
â˘âI will say that I walked less than a few miles (whole trip of hiding the chest and treasure) if that will help. I just looked âfewâ up and one definition is âscant.â Why do I sound like Iâm talking in circlesâ â (MysteriousWritings Blog â Talking in Circles/ October 13, 2014)
â˘âWhile itâs not impossible to remove the blaze it isnât feasible to try, and I am certain itâs still thereâ (Dalâs Blog â The Nine CluesâŚPart Thirtyone / September 26, 2014)
â˘âThere are many places in the Rocky Mountains where warm waters halt, and nearly all of them are north of Santa Fe. Look at the big picture, there are no short cuts.â (MysteriousWritings Blog â Featured Questions: Warm Waters and Geography / August 12, 2014)
â˘âThe spot where I hid the treasure was in my mind from the time I first started thinking about the chase. It is special to me and there was never another consideration. I was going to make it work no matter what. In my reverie I often find myself stealing away to that place and I will always consider it to be mine.â (MysteriousWritings Blog â Questions with Forrest / July 5, 2014)
â˘âWhen I am in the moutains or in the desert, the last place I want to be is on a trailâŚ..There isnât a human trail in very close proximaty to where I hid the treasureâ (MysteriousWritings Blog â Questions with Forrest / June 28, 2014)
â˘âNo specialized knowledge is requiredâŚ..My Thrill of the Chase book is enough to lead an average person to the treasureâ (MysteriousWritings Blog â Questions with Forrest / June 27, 2014)
â˘âThe clues did not exist when I was a kid but of most of the places the clues refer to did. I think they might still exist in 100 years.â (MysteriousWritings Blog â Questions with Forrest / June 25, 2014)
â˘âMany are giving serious thought to the clues in my poem, but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key.â (MysteriousWritings Blog â Questions with Forrest / February 4, 2014)
â˘âWhen I hid it and was walking back to my car, I started laughing out loud and I said âForrest FennâŚdid you really do that?ââ â (Moby Dickens Book Shop Signing / November 2, 2013)
â˘âThere are several people that have deciphered the first two clues. I donât think they knew it, because they walked right on past the treasure chest.ââ (Moby Dickens Book Shop Signing / November 2, 2013)
â˘âI think kids have an advantage (finding the treasure). Donât ask me to explain that.â â (Moby Dickens Book Shop Signing / November 2, 2013)
â˘ââŚthatâs why I told people I hid the treasure chest when I was 79 or 80 years old because I donât want the exact date to be known because Iâm afraid somebody will go check the rental car records and how many miles did Mr. Fenn put on the truck or the carâŚso I donât answer those kinda questionsâŚbut shoot that person that sent in that emailâŚâ â (Moby Dickens Book Shop Signing / November 2, 2013)
â˘âI have not had anybody tell me the answer to that clue (the unintended one in TFTW). If you read my preface it doesnât take a genius to figure out, I think, what theyâre talking about butâŚthere are clues in my new book that can help a person.â â â (Moby Dickens Book Shop Signing / November 2, 2013)
â˘âIâve said before the treasure chest is heavy. And itâŚI made two trips to hide it where I wanted it to be.â â (Collected Works Bookstore Signing / October 22, 2013)
â˘âWhat is wrong with me just riding my bike out there and throwing it in the âwater highâ when I am through with it?â â (Dalâs Blog â âForrest Gets Mail⌠/ October 3, 2012)
â˘âNo need to look for the treasure in a place where a 79 or 80 year old man couldnât go with a 44 pound treasure chest full of gold and precious gems.â â (Dalâs Blog â âForrest Gets Mail⌠/ October 3, 2012)
â˘âMy church is in the mountains and along the river bottoms where dreams and fantasies alike go to playâ (The Thrill of the Chase â page 4
Here's a short personality profile of FF;
- 20 years in the military and a third of his book The Thrill of the Chase devoted to that time of his life
- Very private, as indicated by his reactions in the chapters from The Thrill of the Chase such as his reaction to the clerk in âImportant Literatureâ and the gossip of the women in âNo Place for Old Biddiesâ.
- He identifies with the old west and has a great interest, and extensive knowledge, of Native American artifacts.
- By his own admission, FF has been consumed by collecting arrowheads and fishing.
- Openly discusses in The Thrill of the Chase the steps he went through to come to terms with his own mortality
Here's what I suspect;
- The odd phrasing of âPut inâ is a reference to a place on a river where people put boats in water which are simply called a âPut inâ
- âHigh waterâ is another term for mountain lakes
- In the phrase âIn the woodâ â wood is singular, not plural â which leads me to think it is deliberate
- FF mentions the name âGardinerâ and âTreasure Islandâ immediately after his poem in The Thrill of the Chase which seems to be deliberate. Gardiner is just outside of Yellowstone and Montana is known as the âTreasure Stateâ.
- If you turn FFâs âThe Thrill of the Chaseâ upside down and look at itâs cover the overlaying pictures match nearly perfectly with the outline of the states of Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Utah and Colorado. With the "gold" in place for Montana. This may be a coincidence but for some reason I think not.
Here is what I think;
- Get to know more about Forest Fenn. Knowing more about FF will help better understand and interpret the clues in the poem by understanding what the words mean to him. For example, what experiences have left a mark on his life? i.e. The military, Yellowstone, Fly-fishing, Lewis and Clark, collecting antiquities â in particular Native American artifacts. For example, in âBegin where the warm waters haltâ not only does "Halt" not rhyme but is an odd word choice. Halt is more of a military term. Could halt be a clue pointing towards a military installation of some type? An old Fort perhaps? In âbrave the coldâ could the word âbraveâ be a clue in itself since it is commonly used in reference to Native Americans and FF has a great interest in Native American artifacts? In âWise and in the woodâ could the word âwiseâ be a reference to the Wise River in Montana or the several locations that pop up when we Google things associated with being wise like âowlâ?
- What if the clues do NOT start at âBeginâŚâ? The first stanzas of the poem is often disregarded as little more than a lead-in but the statement âI have gone alone in thereâ could be a clue â either intentionally or deliberately. At some point in TTOTC he mentions going to a secret fly-fishing spot he has never taken anyone to before. To me that seems to be a logical connection.
- Here is a passage gleaned from the internet, (sorry, I do not remember who wrote it) FF describes âa secret locationâ where his family stashed their fishing gear during the off-season. FF was quoted saying, âWe just drove the car out into the forest about half a mile, and unloaded everything,â FF goes on to write that it was always there when they returned. When reading this I often wondered why stash the gear in a place where it might get damaged or stolen when they could have just as easily taken it with them when they left. I would think this might be because leaving the gear behind made the hike back easier which implies the hike was a bit of a commitment or stashing the gear was more of a curiosity whether their âsecrete spotâ was really as secluded and secret as they thought.
Here is a picture of a possible "blaze" created by FF
Here's what Iâve learned first-hand;
- My brothers and I have made two trips to Montana already with plans on a third within the next month. What weâve learn is that there is no substitute for lacing up the boots and checking things out in person. Often what may look good on paper does not pan-out once you get there. For example, one of the places we checked out was the Joe Brown Trail in Montana. Looked great on a map but once we got there it became evident almost immediately that this was not the place. There was no way a 79 year old man made this hike twice in one day, especially carrying the weight of the treasure with him.
- We were victims of âconfirmation biasâ. We were so sure we had the right interpretation that we made the 17 hour drive to Montana from our home over 1,600 miles away without having a plan âBâ in place. This resulted in us having to rethink our options on the spot which did not turn out to well. Even though we enjoyed the adventure we still felt stupid for making such a preventable blunder and wasting our opportunity.
- If the blaze FF mentions is indeed the equivalent of an âXâ marks the spot then it is not likely to be on a tree. First, the local wildlife scrapes the trees leaving them heavily scarred and easy for a manmade mark to be overlooked or covered up. Also trees typically do not last for hundreds of years and definitely not for a thousand. This leads me to believe that the blaze might be a mark on a large stone, possibly chiseled or, as I am inclined to believe, painted using the same techniques used by Native Americans when they marking pottery and the inside of caves.
- There is a need for a natural barrier. One of the first things I noticed when searching firsthand was the need for some type of barrier to prevent tourists from stumbling upon the treasure. The question then becomes what natural barriers exist that would deter the average person. I would think things like a river or standing bodies of water, or something akin to this and likewise inaccessible, requiring purposeful intent for a person to go there.
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