Folsom or Clovis maybe?

[spawn00x]

Hi, just need some help identifying this piece. Thanks in Advance!

 

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[11KBP]

I see what Gator sees, but, it doesn't come all the way down the base.
I'm wandering if that is a huge impact fracture.

Yes NC, what you described is an impact fracture.

 

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[GatorBoy]

11KBP .. What are you seeing As far as the type?

 

[NC field hunter]

Yes NC, what you described is an impact fracture.

Not a small one either!! That thing whopped something hard.

 

[old digger]

Simpson points are found in the southeastern parts of the U.S. Duncan points have a semi curved stem that extends into the point, along with a concave base, and are found from the High Plains south and into the southwestern desert regions.

 

[GatorBoy]

Thank you

 

[Dark Antiquity]

Agree its a Duncan

 

[1320]

Has a Quad look to it but according to the "gospel".....no Quads West of the Mississippi....

Quad

 

[1320]

Gator, these types (and many others) are typed as stemmed bifurcated. It's hard to visualize the LeCroy as such but the Pedernales is a good example of how a point can be both, hope this helps.

Pedernales

LeCroy

 

[1320]

Duncans are considered to be stemmed points, just trying to help.


Duncan

Welcome to tnet! Def not a stem buddy-ro!

 

[1320]

Looks like a stem, maybe a Duncan, it has a base like that, and it is western.

I'm in colorado, I've seen some bases like that.

Dave

Good call! Was this your first post?!

 

[Get-the-point]

You guys kill me!!!...........lol...... Quad points are found west of the mississippi. This point has quad form. However the flint does not look right for the area supposedly found. It looks like Dover chert. Leading me to believe it was found in the Tennessee, Kentucky, Alabama Region. This would be typed a Quad point or like Gator says a Simpson as well if from around that area. If this point was found where the poster says it was found then it would be a Golondrina. The base is ground more then usual forming stronger ears...This point has lost its tip due to impact. That supposed flute is a impact fracture. The base has been thinned and ground. I can see where 1320 attributes this to a Duncan only problem with that theory is that a Duncan has a contricted basal ears and a concave base vs the Golondrina which has flared basal ears and concave base. This point has flared and pronounced Basal ears leading me to believe that it is a Golondrina.......................GTP
http://www.texasrockshop.com/artifacts/artifact_images/paleo/bgpctx_/bgpctx025_golondrina_.jpg

 

[SOHIO]

That my friends is the bottom of an arrowhead...i'm positive about this ..

 

[1320]

You guys kill me!!!...........lol...... Quad points are found west of the mississippi. This point has quad form. However the flint does not look right for the area supposedly found. It looks like Dover chert. Leading me to believe it was found in the Tennessee, Kentucky, Alabama Region. This would be typed a Quad point if from around that area. If this point was found where the poster says it was found then it would be a Golondrina. The base is ground more then usual forming stronger ears...This point has lost its tip due to impact. That supposed flute is a impact fracture. The base has been thinned and ground........................GTP
http://www.texasrockshop.com/artifacts/artifact_images/paleo/bgpctx_/bgpctx025_golondrina_.jpg

I hope you don't think that I'm saying Quads aren't found west of the Mississippi?! The distribution as determined by Projectile Points keeps them from being a "western" type, not me...I know better :} I all but called it a Quad didn't I?! LOL

You make an excellent point regarding the material GTP.

 

[1320]

For the OP to use as a comparison....this is a Duncan from Overstreet

Image Detail for - Duncan Northern High Plains Stemmed-Bifurcated Archaic

 

[spawn00x]

Yes, I found it.

That helps too..did you find it?

 

[NC field hunter]

I hope you don't think that I'm saying Quads aren't found west of the Mississippi?! The distribution as determined by Projectile Points keeps them from being a "western" type, not me...I know better :} I all but called it a Quad didn't I?! LOL

You make an excellent point regarding the material GTP.

You said " west" any time I use the old " " it means someone else's word and more than likely, I don't believe it. You did pretty much call quad. I'm like Sohio on this one. It is an arrowhead with no point and a huge impact fracture. It is really to far gone in my opinion to determine exactly what it was.

 

[spawn00x]

Ok, so I put up a few more pics at different angles. And once again, it was found in New Mexico. Thanks for all the input so far.

 

[GatorBoy]

Gator, these types (and many others) are typed as stemmed bifurcated. It's hard to visualize the LeCroy as such but the Pedernales is a good example of how a point can be both, hope this helps.

Pedernales

LeCroy

Thanks

 

[Get-the-point]

I hope you don't think that I'm saying Quads aren't found west of the Mississippi?! The distribution as determined by Projectile Points keeps them from being a "western" type, not me...I know better :} I all but called it a Quad didn't I?! LOL

You make an excellent point regarding the material GTP.

After looking at the new photo's posted it is definitely not Dover.......I can see where they closely resemble each other 1320. In the new photo you showed you still see the same characteristic a uniform constricted base. In the picture of the Golondrina you will see the same flared basal ears and form as the posters point................Kind of makes ya wonder by how close they are??......................GTP(Chris)

 

[NC field hunter]

Do you guys think all of the damage is from impact? If so, it must have hit a rock or tree. Seems like it got mangled. Nice base.