Finding stone with gold in everywhere.

[architecad]

The point being that since fenix is claiming to have the only device/procedure in the World that can pass a simple scientific test, then he is stating that all the others can't.

Thus admitting that all the LRL manufacturers and promoters are fraudulent, in their devices, advertising, and fantastic claims.

Like I said before, you LRL promoters are your own best "skeptics."

EE TH

Don't distort Fenix's words. What Fenix said not necessarily means others LRL and MFD are fraudulent. If Fenix's device can performance an specific scientific test, it doesn't means My MFD or Art's LRL can't find a target.

Arch

 

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[EE THr]

The point being that since fenix is claiming to have the only device/procedure in the World that can pass a simple scientific test, then he is stating that all the others can't.

Thus admitting that all the LRL manufacturers and promoters are fraudulent, in their devices, advertising, and fantastic claims.

Like I said before, you LRL promoters are your own best "skeptics."

No, I didn't say I had the only one....

No, I didn't say the others can't....

No, I didn't admit anything....

You are the one who said that your "successful procedure" was secret, and claimed that is why you don't want Carl's $25K, because your secret is worth much more than that---remember?

Secret: "Done, made, or conducted without the knowledge of others."

If you and your "team," and a couple others, are the only ones who know how to use LRLs successfully, then you are saying that nobody else can pass Carl's test, or be successful with them, either. That also means that the LRL makers' instructions are wrong, and the makers don't know how to use their own devices.

Do you have some other kind of logic?

 

[aarthrj3811]

~EE~

You are the one who said that your "successful procedure" was secret, and claimed that is why you don't want Carl's $25K, because your secret is worth much more than that---remember?

Gee EE…fenixdigger and many others have shared some of their secrets with me..no big deal for Treasure Hunters but seems to be a problem for Skeptics..he knows that we know how to use a LRL and will not reveal his secrets so they can be spun and twisted by people who have no knowledge of these devices. How is your desigh for a working LRL going?

Secret: "Done, made, or conducted without the knowledge of others."

Sadly that is how most experiments are done

If you and your "team," and a couple others, are the only ones who know how to use LRLs successfully, then you are saying that nobody else can pass Carl's test, or be successful with them, either. That also means that the LRL makers' instructions are wrong, and the makers don't know how to use their own devices.

No..It means that we are smart enough to know when a test is bogus..Have you read the terms in one of Carl’s so called contracts? I have talked to 3 people who have..No knowledge of the subject seems to be what you do best..

Do you have some other kind of logic?

No..Nothing but good logic…Art

 

[fenixdigger]

See how they twist things? All of a sudden I am the only successful lrl user. For a fact the people that have this down pat, and the ones that have for a while, will not give up the final key to the lock, even under threat of death, much less 25 grand.

Let's use some of that common sense you guys like to talk about. IF a hunter only looks for caches and finds a small cast iron pot with
gold coins, it would be more than say 20 of them. (closer to 100) how does that stack up to the huge 25 grand??

What if they were all New Orleans mint? If they have been buried for 150 yrs.what kind of condition do you think they are in?

You only hear of around 10% of finds. The larger the find, the less likely to hear of it. Talk about not living in the real world. I guess it is so far from what would ever happen in your little world, hard,, no,, impossible for you to fathom. Hate it....

 

[EE THr]

Why LRL and MFD user have to take the CARl's $25K test? Do we need to convince him that our LRL and MFD's really works?

That nonsense has been discussed, round and round, too many times.

But I will clue you in once more.

You continue making adamant claims about LRLs working. Yet you have never proven it scientifically in public with unbiased witnesses.

You claim that you don't want to take Carl's, or any random double blind test, because you aren't interested in proving anything.

Yet you still continuously make the claims, trying to get people to believe you.

So you say, one hand, that you don't need to prove it. But on the other you keep trying to prove it with your word.

You also insist that people should trust you, and just take your word for it. Yet you refuse to trust Carl and his scientific test.

You are totally self-contradicting, and thus you and the other LRL promoters on here still remain your own best "skeptics."

So congratulations for that!

 

[aarthrj3811]

~EE~

That nonsense has been discussed, round and round, too many times.

Yes we have tried to discuss this with you

But I will clue you in once more.

And then you tell us exactly the same things

You continue making adamant claims about LRLs working. Yet you have never proven it scientifically in public with unbiased witnesses.

Yes I have

You claim that you don't want to take Carl's, or any random double blind test, because you aren't interested in proving anything.

Wrong again..I said I would consider taking a real double blind test if one was found. Carl’s test by every definition I can find is not a double blind test and will only prove that one person can or can not use his LRL.

Yet you still continuously make the claims, trying to get people to believe you

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Just telling people what I know is the truth

So you say, one hand, that you don't need to prove it. But on the other you keep trying to prove it with your word.

I have proved it to family, friends, skeptics and other treasure hunters.

You also insist that people should trust you, and just take your word for it. Yet you refuse to trust Carl and his scientific test.

I do not ask people to truth me..Trust has to be earned and I do not trust any skeptic.

You are totally self-contradicting, and thus you and the other LRL promoters on here still remain your own best "skeptics."

Warning..If you spin and twist to much it will always break…

So congratulations for that!

 

[fenixdigger]

Holy echo Batman!! I keep hearing the same thing everywhere. Gold specks, everywhere. LRLs finding them, people refusing to jump through hoops, no respect for an EE's authority, and truth, that blasted truth. Doncha just hate it?

 

[EE THr]

Yet you have never proven it scientifically in public with unbiased witnesses.

Yes I did before in from open mind people, not skeptics.

Please post the names, procedure, and signed testimony of the witnesses.

 

[woof!]

Hi Fellows

When I had my MFD, I found a lots of little stone with micro gold inside, and many time, with 1/2 OZ of gold. I found them many times in the beach, parks, streets, backyard, in everywhere. However, the Geologist say gold can be found only in certain places like rivers, stream, deserts or mountains. How do you explain that?

Arch

Archie, do you realize that every time you post in this thread, the post you started this thread with gets pushed to the top of the stack? Those four short sentences have become an instant classic-- Exhibit A in how silly LRL owners get.

Here, I'll push it to the top of the stack again for ya.

--Toto

 

[Kentucky Kache]

Hi Fellows

When I had my MFD, I found a lots of little stone with micro gold inside, and many time, with 1/2 OZ of gold. I found them many times in the beach, parks, streets, backyard, in everywhere. However, the Geologist say gold can be found only in certain places like rivers, stream, deserts or mountains. How do you explain that?

Arch

Archie, do you realize that every time you post in this thread, the post you started this thread with gets pushed to the top of the stack? Those four short sentences have become an instant classic-- Exhibit A in how silly LRL owners get.

Here, I'll push it to the top of the stack again for ya.

--Toto

And did YOU know that every time you guys get a thread deleted (because you are loosing the argument), that it disappears? Well of course you do, that's why you got it deleted, right?

 

[Kentucky Kache]

And did YOU know that every time you guys get a thread deleted (because you are loosing the argument), that it disappears? Well of course you do, that's why you got it deleted, right?

Hey Hitler Lover...did you ever stop to think that every time your solicit your love for Hitler...you offend those of use who are Jewish?

Get a life, idiot

You interpret who I love about as well as you interpret LRL's. But if you didn't like the Hitler dance, then why did you guys have it deleted? Oh yeah, because you were loosing the argument.
BTW, did the mods tell you you were allowed to call people idiots here? Trying to get another one deleted, aren't you?

 

[Kentucky Kache]

And did YOU know that every time you guys get a thread deleted (because you are loosing the argument), that it disappears? Well of course you do, that's why you got it deleted, right?

Hey Hitler Lover...did you ever stop to think that every time your solicit your love for Hitler...you offend those of use who are Jewish?

Get a life, idiot

You interpret who I love about as well as you interpret LRL's. But if you didn't like the Hitler dance, then why did you guys have it deleted? Oh yeah, because you were loosing the argument.
BTW, did the mods tell you you were allowed to call people idiots here? Trying to get another one deleted, aren't you?

Seriously? Did a grown-up actually type that?

You mean calling people idiot and schmuck? No, that was SWR. A grown up would never stoop to that. Why do you think the mods allow it?

 

[EE THr]

Yet you have never proven it scientifically in public with unbiased witnesses.

I'll change my statement to say, "Yet you have never proven it here, with documented evidence, that LRLs work, of a scientifically conducted demonstration in public with unbiased witnesses."

Your mere claims that you have done it are not proof.

So my first post about it, #76, still stands.

You are still self-contradicting, and your own best "skeptic."

 

[Kentucky Kache]

Do mods read these posts?

 

[Carl-NC]

Gold in the ground for millions of years (1/1000) of a gram has the same signature as 10 lbs buried 100 yrs.

Fenix, Igottaquestionferya...

S'poze you saw an LRL that piqued your interest. Manufacturer claims it will locate gold and, yes, it's expensive. Before you buy it, how would you test it to ensure it does what you want/hope it to do?

 

[fenixdigger]

Carl; That's a hard one to answer. It depends on the type of unit. I know what we have fought as far as hurdles to the recovery. I guess that I would do a little research of the area around where he was and go there. Most of these people have a little "test" area set up. I would do the dance there and then insist we went to a close location and actually locate and recover a target. It would have to surpass what we are doing now. I'm not sure how that would be possible, maybe cut the time down or have a more selective targeting system.

When I tested the Bionic 01, it locked the same targets I did, I saw no improvement over what I was doing, and for that kind of change, it would have had to be significant.

Does this answer the question?

Something I forgot. I would try to get a hold of someone that was using it first.

 

[Carl-NC]

Carl; That's a hard one to answer. It depends on the type of unit. I know what we have fought as far as hurdles to the recovery. I guess that I would do a little research of the area around where he was and go there. Most of these people have a little "test" area set up. I would do the dance there and then insist we went to a close location and actually locate and recover a target. It would have to surpass what we are doing now. I'm not sure how that would be possible, maybe cut the time down or have a more selective targeting system.

When I tested the Bionic 01, it locked the same targets I did, I saw no improvement over what I was doing, and for that kind of change, it would have had to be significant.

Does this answer the question?

Not really. What targets did you test the Bionic on?

Suppose I were buying a beeper and the dealer said, "Sure, this thing will detect a silver dollar down to about a foot deep." If we took it to a local park and could not find a silver dollar, would it be reasonable to insist that it is unable to detect a silver dollar?

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Evening Carl: you posted --> "Sure, this thing will detect a silver dollar down to about a foot deep." If we took it to a local park and could not find a silver dollar, would it be reasonable to insist that it is unable to detect a silver dollar?
____________
Nope, maybe there was no silver dollar there to detect . snicker.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[EE THr]

Evening Carl: you posted --> "Sure, this thing will detect a silver dollar down to about a foot deep." If we took it to a local park and could not find a silver dollar, would it be reasonable to insist that it is unable to detect a silver dollar?
____________
Nope, maybe there was no silver dollar there to detect . snicker.

Don Jose de La Mancha

Um...I think that was the whole point. That is, contrary to claims by the LRL promoters on here, tests with known targets are more reliable, and thus easier to pass.

 

[fenixdigger]

I see your point. I was carrying 2 1/2 oz gold and had 4 oz silver in the car. He picked up both targets. At the time we were still having a bitch with electrolysis. I also had a box with recovered "trash" targets. I put my "favorite" piece outside the gate when I got to the park.
We both hit it. This told me he was hitting the same things I was. I did have 1 target that he didn't. By the time he got there, I had set up in 3 places and marked my signals. We were only looking across the park to avoid hitting the houses. None appeared to be in the park, but passed into a populated area.

The best proof is if it will hit a jewelry store that you don't know the direction from where you are at. In populated areas, how many gold
targets do you suppose are in a 3 block area? Got to have a way to weight check targets.