Federal Government Assumes Control of Arizona Forests

[onfire]

It's about time small groups of people stand up to the goofs, after a while they will swell to large ones. Out witting a liberal,and their agenda is easier then you think.

 

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[Treasure_Hunter]

It's about time small groups of people stand up to the goofs, after a while they will swell to large ones. Out witting a liberal,and their agenda is easier then you think.

 

[Mad Machinist]

Treasure Hunter:

So, back in the days of Jim Crow laws, a country sheriff had no obligation to enforce, say, the Federal civil rights law regarding equal accommodation in interstate commerce because the state law said it was ok?

You want to live in a country where local law enforcement officers decide which laws are correct and which I not.

I certainly don't. An officer asked to enforce a law she or he doesn't agree with should resign.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

SO what your saying then is Obama should resign over his decision not to enforce immigration laws he doesn't agree with.

 

[Mad Machinist]

Treasure Hunter:

The U.S. Forest Service is disregarding the "rights" of the state of Arizona by making a rule for the Coconino National Forest?

And Dr. Wolverton's answer to this crisis is a combination of anti-Constitutional nullification and the theory that America's county sheriffs have some unique law enforcement status in our nation?

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

It isn't just Coconino. It all the forests here in Arizona. Of course this comes after the USFS here eliminated over half the camping areas through their Travel Management plans. Then after Coconino designated a meadow in one area as a "dispersed" camping area and someone tried to use it, leaving ruts in the soft meadow, they went on the news here crying about illegal OHV use.

I deal with the USFS here a lot, and they could find a way to jack up a one car funeral. Very few of them have any brains or common sense left.

 

[Red James Cash]

Very few of them have any brains or common sense left.

I'm shocked,do you mean they actually had some to begin with?

 

[Mad Machinist]

I'm shocked,do you mean they actually had some to begin with?

Some the older ready to retire types do. They tried to tell everyone here what would happen here over the eco policies they wanted. The end result, over a million acres of USFS land burnt in the last ten years.

Who's the real danger to our forests?

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

rolf...the feds took control of arizona forests 6 years prior to arizona becoming a state...1906.
"wheres the beef?"

most counties in arizona are surrounded by, or completely within national forests.

some of these sheriff can't even roll out of bed without entering the national forest....

great try...love the humor.

 

[Mad Machinist]

rolf...the feds took control of arizona forests 6 years prior to arizona becoming a state...1906.
"wheres the beef?"

most counties in arizona are surrounded by, or completely within national forests.

some of these sheriff can't even roll out of bed without entering the national forest....

great try...love the humor.

Pip,

Glad to hear from you brother. I was starting to get a little worried about you.


To put this in perspective, you have to understand a few things. We, as a population, are getting run out of OUR forests based on a bunch of crap. One of those is invasive plant species. SUPPOSEDLY spread by OHVs, equestrians, hunters, hikers, campers, etc. (pick your poison here). So tell me WHY, after the Wallow Fire, with all the hype about invasive species, did the BAER team use wheatgrass, which is not native to Arizona, as a means to control erosion?

Would not a better way to be to use native grasses that were here already and fire resistant? The Wallow Fire was a hell of a chance to "restore" a native ecosystem, yet it was blown off, by the USFS, the USFWS, and the eco freaks. Think about it for awhile. Are you starting to understand why I have such an utter HATRED of the "status quo"?

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

howdy
there is a story, of some immigrant back in the 1880's...comes into tonto basin...big rancher..many cattle...so in typical back east fashion..this guy lights up the gamma grass..the local grass of arizona..waist high..burns the entire portion of pleasant valley...so it will do as back east..grow back in abundence...gamma grass does not grow back from a fire, it needs to drop seeds first...
the valley still has not recovered from this burnoff...
i guess i am saying that just because the government hires people with no clue, and promotes them into positions of power...the the original plan to preserve is wrong.

 

[Bum Luck]

That premise I support. But, the underlying subject used to demonstrate it I don't. The business of people parking their campers, and not using them, is a sore point with me, and I , for one, am glad the Forest Service is doing something about it. It's completely selfish to try and prevent others from using a campsite when you're not even using it. Kinda reminds of birds. After they eat their fill at the feeder, they try and prevent the others from getting any.
But, the feds have no business co-opting the state, or local, law-enforcement agencies.
Jim

I think that's sound reasoning, Jim.

I want to emphasize that I don't know much about the particular national forest, except it is national, therefore it is under the NFS jurisdiction. Their rules.

I would hope, though, that neither is there "camp hogging" or unnecessarily booting hunters out of their camps. A balance should be struck, as you note.

Yes, it is OUR government, but it is the government, not us individuals that run it. The aim, though, should be sound decision making.

I agree that the feds have no obligation to force sheriffs. That is a fact.