EXCAL IN PIN POINT

[River Hound]

A whole different animal.Yesterday was the first day I felt like I was using a great machine.Didn't find anything cool but I let the detector work instead me swinging a detector.I know I wouldn't have the patience to use it like this all the time unless I truly felt theirs deep gold beneath my feet but it was very cool finding targets that small at depth.I hope gold sounds like nickles with this machine because it was the cleanest, short and solid signal I heard not like a pull tab.Happy excal user
The piece on top does that look like one of those old bathing suit clips Ive heard about. Thanks

 

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[bigscoop]

It's all very difficult to describe, and even harder to understand until you experience it. So, grab a bunch of targets you don't mind losing if it comes to that and head to the beach. Spend an afternoon burying these targets in the wet sand and in the water and then using your different modes and settings to locate them. The advantage is that you already know what type of item you're detecting and how deep it is. Where you really start hearing/experiencing the difference in modes is when these targets are at the very edge of their detectable range.

 

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[Mainelypulltab]

Just readin all of this information is helping me, I do appreciate all of your responses. This is good information for future hunts, can't wait to give the suggestions a try.

 

[Mainelypulltab]

Got out yesterday for a couple of hours. Broke through the ice with my scoop and just swung, no diving. I tried the pin point and and let me tell you, when you hit a nail at 7-8 inches, she lets you know it. Found some more lead sinkers, bullets, nails, clad, wheat cents, a nickel bracelet and a quarter of a monkey wrench. I detected in the same place I found the class ring and was definately getting deeper targets. This will take a lot of practise. I was hearing faint differences in the tone from time to time but was not 100% sure it was the machine or my hearing. This area is not a place I expect to pull the gold like the folks down south but I have a great time and from time to time, we get a ring or two. Thanks again for your sharing your experience and knowledge, I do appreciate it.

 

[OBN]

Broke through the ice with my scoop and just swung

Boy you are hooked......

Good Luck on your next outting....

 

[surfnturf]

I was hearing faint differences in the tone from time to time but was not 100% sure it was the machine or my hearing.

Bingo!!! Your right on! This is when I'll scape 2 or 3 inch off the top with my foot and 75% of the time all hear a better stronger signal(when in doubt dig it out), I might recheak in disc mode so I'm
not digging them nail!!
Ps. In PP mode: Rings and coins mostly have a quick, short and sharp beep (love hearing that)! However so do pulltabs!



SnT

 

[bigscoop]

I was hearing faint differences in the tone from time to time but was not 100% sure it was the machine or my hearing.

Bingo!!! Your right on! This is when I'll scape 2 or 3 inch off the top with my foot and 75% of the time all hear a better stronger signal(when in doubt dig it out), I might recheak in disc mode so I'm
not digging them nail!!
Ps. In PP mode: Rings and coins mostly have a quick, short and sharp beep (love hearing that)! However so do pulltabs!



SnT

It's amazing what getting rid of a few inches can make. When I'm water hunting I'm doing this all the time it seems on those faint, uncertain chirps and tics, or even consistent threshold shifts. No doubt that I have previously walked over a lot of good targets until I started doing this.

 

[dewcon4414]

I also hunt a good bit in PP..... i like the slight raise in threshold, take out a scoop and you get a duck or crow sound..... i love those duck calls. What i realized in PP was you think you are getting a huge halo from the coil in disc so you dont over lap well..... but the term miss it an inch miss it a mile is about right. The receive coil has to pass over the target or very close. Having the ability to check in disc.... priceless since the Xcal does such a great job of telling you its iron.

Dew

 

[OBN]

A few add on's too PP mode

Many realize that too loud threshold with the excalibur will cover those threshold faint/slight raise/disruptions of a deep target but what many don't know, you are still covering targets when the threshold is set as low as you can hear it. The excalibur's threshold does not end abruptly, it continues a slow down hill slant until there is nothing. This area is very chattery but one can still hear faints that were once covered when special modes are done to the audio side of the excalibur. A plus to this is maybe a few to several inch's more depth on targets, and this is based on the hunting area.

 

[cdv1]

After reading through this post and re-reading the manual, I lowered my threshold last night, got it stable with the sensitivity and started hunting... wish I could say I found gold but I can't, it was however a good night practicing using the excal in pinpoint. I hunt this way normally but with a higher threshold and what I found last night was it does work well this way..... IF I got any kind of fluctuation in the threshold that couldn't be related to hitting the bottom or a wave coming over the coil, I would stop and move the coil around and find the target, guess what I think the target will be by the sound, switch to disc and see what the machine tells me.... I'm actually getting pretty good at listening in PP and determining what type of tone I'll get in Disc. Knew right away on the coins and two silver earrings but still get fooled on some bottle tops and pull tabs.

Am I wrong when I think using the excal in PP is quite like using a PI? They seem so similar to me and might be the reason I had such an easy time switching over to the excal from my PI.

HH
Cliff

 

[bigscoop]

A few add on's too PP mode

Many realize that too loud threshold with the excalibur will cover those threshold faint/slight raise/disruptions of a deep target but what many don't know, you are still covering targets when the threshold is set as low as you can hear it. The excalibur's threshold does not end abruptly, it continues a slow down hill slant until there is nothing. This area is very chattery but one can still hear faints that were once covered when special modes are done to the audio side of the excalibur. A plus to this is maybe a few to several inch's more depth on targets, and this is based on the hunting area.

This is what I mean when I say that I've become a fan of the smaller coil (8") because it makes these things easier to notice and to learn because the 8" can be run more stable at a higher sensitivity. I still plan on using the larger coils whenever I can get away with it but the purpose of learning the smaller coil makes a big difference. At least it did for me. Going back to the small coil for a while has provided a big refresher course.

 

[Buried Crap NJ]

Some really great post in this thread.Some of my best finds came from PP hunting. Surfnturf post "I was hearing faint differences in the tone from time to time but was not 100% sure it was the machine or my hearing" that's such a true statement! My first gold ring in PP I wasn't sure I heard anything. I stopped recheched laughed, again still thought I heard something or just outside noise. I dug anyhow, out came a gold mans band at an ungodly depth! I just stood stunned. I walked 5 ft and again I said no way can't be really, out popped a gold ladies ring light weight at a 8 in depth. Nothing in discriminate! I had a grin from ear to ear! I haven't gone back to hunting in Discriminate since, I do have a remote PP switch though.You will also need to slow down if not hunting reasont drops and your hunt area will nolonger be exersize as you don't need to cover much area to find targets!
Now those getting into the PP mode hunting need to seriously concider changing your headphone to something more to block out outside noise. The wind ocean would have killed those two rings had I not had the best headphone available to me!
My feelings of Koss have been printed before, just do it cut them off!
BCNJ

 

[bigscoop]

BCNJ....not long ago I started using an old 800 with the stock headphones....first "breezy day" on the beach and I couldn't hear any of the faint tones or slight threshold changes I was listening for. I agree, the stock headphones are crap.....

 

[surfnturf]

OBN has a great step by step vid on changing out the headphones! Helped me!!


Snt

 

[Surfminer]

To make your headphones a little quieter....

BCNJ....not long ago I started using an old 800 with the stock headphones....first "breezy day" on the beach and I couldn't hear any of the faint tones or slight threshold changes I was listening for. I agree, the stock headphones are crap.....

If you are not dropping and fanning,you can put a piece of electrical tape over the ear phone drain holes.This cheap fix will eliminate a lot of the noise from the wind and surf.If you upgrade your phones,I found the Peltzor Optime 101 headphone mod works great.You will not hear ANY outside noise.

 

[snooksion]

Always nice!!

iagree

 

[tarpon192]

Is this also possible with the GT and ELITE?

 

[bigscoop]

OBN has a great step by step vid on changing out the headphones! Helped me!!


Snt

Yep, and that's one of my next upgrades/mods.

 

[Sandman]

You guys that don't dive with the Excal's can cover the drain holes with tape but divers need to leave the holes open for equalization of water pressure or suffer possible ear damage. Ask us old guys......

 

[OBN]

Is this also possible with the GT and ELITE?

I hunt with my XS2 in the PP mode with the remote Disc switch, and it does hit deeper for me, but I have heard different from a few others that own GT's..My guess, and I could be wrong but they were not fine tuning enought. Resently one did come to find his GT was deeper, a few know him as Critterhunter.......

Ask us old guys......

I call you guys the Old Masters...............

 

[Sir Gala Clad]

Big Scoop: With the stock slim line Tornado 8 inch double D search coil ( which is actually 7.5 inches), You should be able to detect a quarter size coin at 9.5 inches.

On single frequency and multiple frequency VLF detectors the maximum depth for a quarter sized target can be approximated by adding 2 inch to the diameter of a Double D search coil. This formula is accurate for DD search coils up 15 inches in diameter.

With this formula the maximum calculated depth for a 15 inch WOT (Wounderful Orange Thing) DD search coil manufactured by Coiltek for this size target would be 17 inches, which is close to Treasure Hunter's experience of pulling targets from over 15 - 16 plus inches.