European Finds

[Westfront]

Hi all!
As we don't have a forum for european artifacts i will post some of my finds here to share with you.
Most of our finds here are Neolithic, dating 5500-2200bc. I am more in metaldetecting with an eye for everything else in the fields. We pick up many pottery, most roman to medieval. On some of the pics you can see roman pottery shards as well. I have permission to a field where i expected roman, but i came out with some of my best neolithic finds ever. We picked up several axes there, knives, a drill and a flint for making sparks. Sorry, i don't know the name in english! Best finds are the complete grinding stone, matching parts of an upper and lower grinding stone and the axe with a drilled hole for the shaft.
Thanks for looking!

 

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[old digger]

Congratulations! Nice finds. Is the item in photo #2 a lance point? Or is it the same as photo #8?

 

[Harry Pristis]

Hi all!
As we don't have a forum for european artifacts i will post some of my finds here to share with you.
Most of our finds here are Neolithic, dating 5500-2200bc. I am more in metaldetecting with an eye for everything else in the fields. We pick up many pottery, most roman to medieval. On some of the pics you can see roman pottery shards as well. I have permission to a field where i expected roman, but i came out with some of my best neolithic finds ever. We picked up several axes there, knives, a drill and a flint for making sparks. Sorry, i don't know the name in english! Best finds are the complete grinding stone, matching parts of an upper and lower grinding stone and the axe with a drilled hole for the shaft.
Thanks for looking!

It's nice to see some European tools, 'Westfront'. In the future, I hope that you will label your images individually. In this introductory series of images, I don't recognize some of the items from your narrative.

I do see some "blades."
Blade tool description:
1. at least twice as long as wide with blade margins fairly parallel.
2. two or more longitudinal crests or ridges indicating other flakes were removed from the core in the same direction.
"Blades are the hallmark of the European Upper Paleolithic period and have antecedents in the Mousterian and perhaps even the late Acheulean periods. Many of the tools made on blades decribed for the European Upper Paleolithic are found also at sites in North America." ....B. Purdy, FLORIDA'S PREHISTORIC STONE TECHNOLOGY

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[Westfront]

It's nice to see some European tools, 'Westfront'. In the future, I hope that you will label your images individually. In this introductory series of images, I don't recognize some of the items from your narrative.

I do see some "blades."
Blade tool description:
1. at least twice as long as wide with blade margins fairly parallel.
2. two or more longitudinal crests or ridges indicating other flakes were removed from the core in the same direction.
"Blades are the hallmark of the European Upper Paleolithic period and have antecedents in the Mousterian and perhaps even the late Acheulean periods. Many of the tools made on blades decribed for the European Upper Paleolithic are found also at sites in North America." ....B. Purdy, FLORIDA'S PREHISTORIC STONE TECHNOLOGY

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Thanks for the lesson Harry. I'm still have to work some things out with the new format here and it looks like something has changed again when uploading pics. If someone is interested i will post some pics with single artifacts and try to describe them properly. Bad thing with our finds is that most are broken in some way. The fields i hunt have at least 2000 years of continious plowing history.

Old Digger, the item in pic 2 is the lower part of a blade, around 3/4 wide and 2 1/2" long. When complete it measures about 6" or more.
Item pic 8 is an axe, complete with only minor flakes missing at the blade. Rare find from a buddy. I stopped the truck in the field and the first he saw while stopping was this one... good start, hu? It once was beautiful polished like the one in pic 7. They turn up polished since 5000 years and weather to an ugly surface in a few years because of fertilizer and the elements. These are not from flint. Flint was rare here and imported from the now belgium area at the Maas river 100mls away.

 

[old digger]

Old Digger, the item in pic 2 is the lower part of a blade, around 3/4 wide and 2 1/2" long. When complete it measures about 6" or more.
Item pic 8 is an axe, complete with only minor flakes missing at the blade. Rare find from a buddy. I stopped the truck in the field and the first he saw while stopping was this one... good start, hu? It once was beautiful polished like the one in pic 7. They turn up polished since 5000 years and weather to an ugly surface in a few years because of fertilizer and the elements.

Very nice artifacts. Thank You for sharing.

 

[SOHIO]

um it says american artifacts your welcome

 

[Westfront]

um it says american artifacts your welcome

I like to look at your finds over there, so i thought it is ok to share some of our artifacts with you guys...

 

[Harry Pristis]

I like to look at your finds over there, so i thought it is ok to share some of our artifacts with you guys...

It would be horizon-expanding to compare your artifacts in Europe with North American artifacts.

"Many of the tools made on blades decribed for the European Upper Paleolithic are found also at sites in North America."
....B. Purdy

 

[Westfront]

Hi Harry! I can't figure out how to label my pics... I have to post them individually so i start with the axe from the last weekend hunt.

As stated axes with a drilled hole are very rare. This one is possibly from a grave, as most axes of this type are found in this context. We have different types af axes and this is the rare version.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

I have absolutely no problem with you posting your pieces here and I thank you for doing so. It's great to see artifacts from other parts of the world, especially when they look very similar to what we find here in the United States. I too would love to see some more of your collection.

 

[Westfront]

Here are two different axe heads, both broken. These are actually what we call "Dechsel". An axe of this type is mounted horizontally. You can find them in many sizes, from about three inch up to 10" and more. The small one was broken and used further as some kind of tool. You can see how the blade is worn. From Dechsel we know very exact how old they are. They were used only between 5400 - 4200 b.C.

 

[SOHIO]

I like to look at your finds over there, so i thought it is ok to share some of our artifacts with you guys...

sorry about that statement i was being a spaz its someone elses fault(<<that is a joke) i also don't mind seeing artifacts on here from other parts of the world please post more..here ill join in ...

 

[SOHIO]

check out these from a book i have on japanese prehistory

 

[Westfront]

Here are the last pics for axes from that field. These are two examples of axes like you know them too. These are mounted vertically in the shaft. The bright coloured one was a find from a buddy who came over to help.... The other one was found by me. Unfortunately mine was broken when the field was drilled. Too bad, as this one was pulled up fresh by the plow. You can see the beautiful polished surface all these axes once had. It's still sharp like the day it was made.

 

[SOHIO]

sweet

 

[Harry Pristis]

sweet

Nice finds! Dechsel translates to "adze."

I'm a little surprised by the short span of time the dechsel you describe was in use. Is there something unique about the tool that allows it to be dated so narrowly? Surely, the need for a dechsel-like tool didn't disappear at 6200 ybp.

Here's a Late Paleo (10,000 ybp more or less) dechsel from North Florida:

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[Westfront]

Hi Harry, sure was there a longer period of time to use such a tool, iron ones are in use still today... But this type is dated by the archies exact in this period. Called "Bandkeramik/ Roessener Kultur". You can date them very exact because of the pottery shards wich are found also when the archies dug burial grounds.

It is very interesting to see Dechsel from Florida. Are they from flint? And very old! Beauties!
Ours are often made from Basalt or rock wich was found locally. Others travelled more than 1000km/600mls.... Usually all were polished. Are polished stone tools kown in north america too?

 

[Westfront]

Here are some blade fragments. You can find complete ones only beyond plow depth, but diggin so deep is not allowed for us. We have permission by the landowners and a license from the archies. The farmers don't care, but a good relationship with the archies is very important here!

 

[SOHIO]

so archaeologist have control over private property and collectors there? maybe thats what is needed to be done here a lot of folks have stuff that belongs where everyone can see them.

 

[Westfront]

so archaeologist have control over private property and collectors there? maybe thats what is needed to be done here a lot of folks have stuff that belongs where everyone can see them.

Not exact, the archaeologists give you a license to search for relics. You are checked and if you are a "good guy", means you have knowledge what you are doing, you get permission to hunt. You have to show them your finds, they are dated, registered and then you get them back. If significant finds are made, worth showing in a museum, they have the right to keep them. But you get a compensation. In my state finds belong to the finder and landowner by half. You sure have to get permission from the farmer as well, like it is in the states. For just eyeballing relics like the ones i showed, you don't need this license. It is only for digging, metal detecting as example needs a license.
Most farmers look at the finds and thank you for pulling stones or metal out of their fields, only silver gets their attention...