Eric Holder Tells Press in Off-the-Record Meeting: We Won’t Spy on You Anymore

The difference is the line is crossed when it is intentionally rigged and not irregularities.

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Right name one election where you couldn't find bad votes. Even local elections have "rigged" votes. A perfect election has never happened and prob never will anywhere in the world. It's prob a statistical impossibility.

Did you think the chads where rigged or are the only rigged elections the ones that democrats win??at least be even handed with your rigging claims.
 

Right name one election where you couldn't find bad votes. Even local elections have "rigged" votes. A perfect election has never happened and prob never will anywhere in the world. It's prob a statistical impossibility.

Did you think the chads where rigged or are the only rigged elections the ones that democrats win??at least be even handed with your rigging claims.

When you have multiple precincts in multiple key states to an election reporting voter turn outs exceeding 100% it isn't rocket science to figure out what is going on...

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Don't you just love all of the scandals in this administration? It is fun watching them trying to wiggle their way out of them too.
 

some "misplaced" votes can be lived with --but a full court press attack across the board * is a whole different matter --massive voter fraud is not done by "mistake" --it is well planned and intended.
 

This guy has been screwing up his whole term. Gives guns to the cartels and belongs to an administration that wants to take ours :)
 

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some "misplaced" votes can be lived with --but a full court press attack across the board * is a whole different matter --massive voter fraud is not done by "mistake" --it is well planned and intended.

And sails you know of this "massive voter fraud" yet the Republican Party does not?? Or was it an evil conspiracy by the repubs to hand the election to Obama. Anyone even sniffs a scandal and the entire party machinery would be launching lawsuits, etc etc. come on, please. You know better than that?

I voted Romney but I wasn't surprised in the least that he lost. The party's platform stinks right now. Personally I think it's best for all republicans to stop making excuses for the party and to hold these losers responsible. Today's Republican Party is a far cry from what it's been in the past - a very far cry. We need to tell them to get their act together.
 

the people that are highly enough "placed" to do something about it * are all appointed cronies so nothing will be done about it --elections over , so we just gotta live with it --but that does not mean we gotta like it.
 

Recounts on electronic voting machines are useless.... We need to go back to paper ballots.

Stephen H. Unger, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Computer Science and Electrical Engineering at Columbia University, in an Oct. 6, 2008 "Ends and Means" blog article titled "Forward to the Past: Junk the Machines, Count Votes Manually," wrote:

"The first issue is, what exactly would be recounted? Clearly a second summation of machine outputs would be meaningless. We would need some record of voter-intent independent of the machines. The obvious source would be paper ballots marked by voters, which could then be hand-counted. Paper ballots printed by DRE (touch-screen) machines will not suffice, since it is well known that most voters do not actually verify the correctness of such printouts. (It is also possible for a machine to void a voter-approved ballot and to substitute a different one after the voter leaves the booth.) So meaningful recounts are possible only for OS (optical scan) systems, which process voter-marked ballots, but not for the substantial percentage of US votes now cast on DRE machines, with or without printers."

Oct. 6, 2008 - Stephen H. Unger, PhD*
Ellen Theisen, MA, CEO of the Vote-PAD Company, wrote in her 2005 report "Myth Breakers: Facts About Electronic Elections":

"While HAVA requires that all voting systems produce a paper record in order to provide a manual audit capacity, the paper record of a DRE is interpreted by voting machine vendors and some election officials to refer to an end-of-day printout of either the totals or the ballot images...

Computer experts point out that if a DRE makes errors in recording or storing votes, its end-of-day printouts will be incorrect and no meaningful audit can be done. When a machine produces results a second time, it's merely a reprint, not a recount."

2005 - Ellen Theisen, MA*
Doug Jones, PhD, Associate Professor of Computer Science at the University of Iowa, in "The Evaluation of Voting Technology," a chapter in the book Secure Electronic Voting, 2003, wrote:

"For over a decade, all direct-recording electronic machines have been required to contain redundant storage, but this redundant storage is not an independent record of the votes, because it is created by the same software that created the original record. As a result, recounts are of limited use with these machines."

2003 - Douglas W. Jones, PhD*
Matt Blaze, PhD, Associate Professor of Computer and Information Science at the University of Pennsylvania, et. al, in a paper presented at the USENIX/ACCURATE Electronic Voting Technology Workshop on July 29, 2008 titled "Security Evaluation of ES&S Voting Machines and Election Management System," wrote:

"The normal access provided to individual precinct poll workers (and in some cases to voters themselves) is sufficient to conduct attacks that alter county-wide election results and that, in some cases, cannot be detected or recovered from through audits or recounts... the DRE system provides more vectors for attacks that cannot be recovered from through manual recounts."

July 29, 2008 - Matt Blaze, PhD*
Verified Voting Foundation, a publicly verifiable elections advocacy group, in a Jan. 30, 2005 website article titled "Summary of the Problem with Electronic Voting," offered the following:

"Without voter-verified paper records that accurately reflect the voters’ choices, it is simply impossible to perform a meaningful recount. While most DRE voting machines can print a paper record of the votes cast, this report is not generated until after the polls have closed, and is nothing more than a printout of the electronic records. If the electronic record is inaccurate, then the printed report will also be inaccurate. Such a printout is not voter-verified and does not provide an audit trail appropriate for a meaningful recount."

Jan. 30, 2005 - Verified Voting Foundation*

A Center for Correct, Usable, Reliable, Auditable and Transparent Elections (ACCURATE) submitted its "Public Comment on the 2005 Voluntary Voting System Guidelines" to the U.S. Election Assistance Commission on Sep. 30, 2005, which stated:
"In today's purely electronic systems, there is no 'fixed record' for voters to review, or for officials to review as a check against the system or in the case of a recount. If votes were incorrectly recorded by the system there is no possibility of a meaningful recount."

Sep. 30, 2005 - A Center for Correct, Usable, Reliable, Auditable and Transparent Elections (ACCURATE)*

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The NBC evening news had an interesting interview tonight with Mr. Holder, and as could have been expected, he was asked if he was going to step down. His answer was," not at this time", he has some things he wants to finish , and then he will sit down with the Pres. and talk about the next AG.

What's he waiting to finish, his contempt and perjury sentence?

And we now have Ms Rice, the UN ambassador being named the new National Security Advisor:BangHead: Wasn't she the individual who started the whole Bengazhi problem with her Sunday morning miss-leading statements? But she certainly is being rewarded for how she takes orders, and not for what she knows to be true!
 

I think the Ms Rice appointment is just another "In your face" deal. You would think that, if Obama didn't have any idea of how Holder was operating, he would have fired him on the spot if it really upset him. It's funny how all of the highest positioned people have no idea of what was happening. Looks like a bad case of "subordinate neglect". :) These are the same people that are going to streamline gun control for us. And we aren't supposed to think they don't know what they're doing? We should just trust these all-knowing officials and let them tell us what is RIGHT? Heaven help us. (Not trying to sound religious so all of the forum police can ignore that statement)
 

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