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Columbus pocket change? You mean for if he wanted to buy a Coke or something?....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ca-1492-COLUMBUS-POCKET-CHANGE-SPANISH-REALE-COB_W0QQitemZ370340974872

Consolacion coin with character - bold cross, clear date and assayer....
http://cgi.ebay.com/CONSOLACION-SHIPWRECK-POTOSI-8-REALES-1679-COB-COIN_W0QQitemZ250587423714

And another decent one from the same seller....
http://cgi.ebay.com/CONSOLACION-SHIPWRECK-POTOSI-8-REALES-1679-COB-COIN_W0QQitemZ250587419458

I did have the COA at one time....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Framed-1622-ATOCHA-8-REALES-COIN-No-COA_W0QQitemZ230441928896

Cool coin despite no legible date, mint or assayer....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1621-1665-BOLIVIA-8-REALES-RARE-PIECE-VERY-NICE-SHAPE_W0QQitemZ390162750951

I kind of wondered about this one at first, but after looking it up think its legit....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Bolivia-Potosi-1630-T-8-Reales-Treasure-Coin_W0QQitemZ200443857575

Best one for last. Trez, check this out. Rincon 1537 or 1538 date, which would be only the second or third year since establishment of the Mexico mint and also the first or second year that the 4 reale denomination was struck. Obverse has a little doubling, but the reverse is better than the reference coin I was looking at (Menzell page 44, bottom left).
http://cgi.ebay.com/MEXICO-ND-Early-Series-4-Reales-VF-XF_W0QQitemZ170451536283

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Stan,

"Best one for last. Trez, check this out. Rincon 1537 or 1538 date, which would be only the second or third year since establishment of the Mexico mint and also the first or second year that the 4 reale denomination was struck. Obverse has a little doubling, but the reverse is better than the reference coin I was looking at (Nenzell page 44, bottom left).
http://cgi.ebay.com/MEXICO-ND-Early-Series-4-Reales-VF-XF_W0QQitemZ170451536283

Stan"

I'll go halves with ya........
If I was a Millionaire...my cob colletion would be extensive...and thus I would be broke.

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dread said:
found a 1767 mexico pillar 8 just trying to figure out whats wrong with it the buy it now is only $140 us i figure the seller thinks it fake
but if not a bargain for someone
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Seller looks legitimate feedbackwise (100%, 20091 sales), is not located in China, and there is a 7 day return period. I am not a price expert on pillar coins, so don't know what the coin would normally sell for....

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13 grams of silver? What about the other 13+ grams? Nice shape.... :)
http://cgi.ebay.com/8-Reals-Shield-Cob-Coin-1581-1586_W0QQitemZ330409578518

..."COMES WITH A NUMBER CERTIFICATE OF AUTHENTICITY IN A BINDER" (Wow a binder really increases value!)...."THESE ARE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN" (Maybe in Antarctica!)...."A RECENT SEARCH FOUND NOTHING BUT REPRODUCTIONS LISTED ON EBAY" (What did you do search in infants clothing?)...."THIS MAY BE THE ONLY AUTHENTIC CERTIFIED ATOCHA COIN LISTED FOR SALE ON EBAY" (With a binder included!)...."NO GRADE OR MINT MARK IS GIVEN ON THE CERT" (Well it must be a repro!!!)....
http://cgi.ebay.com/AUTHENTIC-CERTIFIED-ATOCHA-8-REALE-COIN-85A-120804_W0QQitemZ290407843936

OK, I nice 4 reale from Mexico....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1665-Mexico-Spanish-Colonial-Silver-4-Reales-Cob-Coin_W0QQitemZ150419093395

Not a cob, but interesting counterstamp....
http://cgi.ebay.com/XS-CUBA-REJILLA-countermark-on-a-Silver-2-Reales_W0QQitemZ370342449205

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hi stan thanks for the info
a mexico pillar 8 reales can go from starting 220 us to say round 1500 us but on average about 300 to 350 us
maybe i will stick with cobs ;D



DiveWrecks said:
dread said:
found a 1767 mexico pillar 8 just trying to figure out whats wrong with it the buy it now is only $140 us i figure the seller thinks it fake
but if not a bargain for someone
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Seller looks legitimate feedbackwise (100%, 20091 sales), is not located in China, and there is a 7 day return period. I am not a price expert on pillar coins, so don't know what the coin would normally sell for....

Stan
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hi again

yep that's me as highest bidder, my interest in pillar 8`s comes from the rooswijk wreck they are of course very expencive
the oldest on the ship were from 1732 (first year issue for pillar dollar) with f (Felipe Rivas Angulo as the assayer 1732-1733)
it then when to MF 1733-1754 Manuel De Leon and Antonio De la Pena y Flores the Rooswijk coins weree estimated to be 75% pillar dollars and 25% cobs (according to Ernie Richards in his book: Shipwrecks and their coins vol 4 the 1740 Dutch East indiaman rooswijk)

anywho enough for now
dread





DiveWrecks said:
When are you auctioning the other half?....
http://cgi.ebay.com/NICE-17TH-CENTURY-COB-MEXICO-1-2-REALES_W0QQitemZ230443347719

Trez, what's your take on this (left of shield details)?....
http://cgi.ebay.com/NICE-COB-MEXICO-4-REALES-1701-1734-PHILIP-V_W0QQitemZ230443319580

Not yet researched....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Spain-Mexico-Mo-ND-Philip-VI-4-reales-cob-AR-coin_W0QQitemZ350322512947

An interesting for Dread to study....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1733-Mexico-Charles-III-Colonial-Pillar-Dollar-VF_W0QQitemZ150418763970

Antique? "In good condition, with pitting, to be expected with it's age"....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Genuine-Antique-4-Reale-Silver-Spanish-Cob-c-1600s-NR_W0QQitemZ260560508212

Stan
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dread said:
hi again

yep that's me as highest bidder, my interest in pillar 8`s comes from the rooswijk wreck they are of course very expencive
the oldest on the ship were from 1732 (first year issue for pillar dollar) with f (Felipe Rivas Angulo as the assayer 1732-1733)
it then when to MF 1733-1754 Manuel De Leon and Antonio De la Pena y Flores the Rooswijk coins weree estimated to be 75% pillar dollars and 25% cobs (according to Ernie Richards in his book: Shipwrecks and their coins vol 4 the 1740 Dutch East indiaman rooswijk)

anywho enough for now
dread
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Dread, what do you think of my Pillar Dollar that I posted here? http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,300091.0.html
 

very nice 8, for a pillar to spend 228 years on the wreck and be in that condition wow!
your a lucky guy what did you pay for it if you dont mind me asking?
i am not 100% sure but but did the Hollandia Vliegenthart and Rooswijk all come form the same ship yard or were in fact sister ships?
 

Hey guys, I started a new thread titled "Pillars and Portraits". maybe we could move this discussion over there and try to keep it ongoing. Just an idea....

Nice coin Diver Down!....

Stan
 

Diver_Down said:
Sorry, Stan, I didn't mean to hijack the thread. I appreciate all that you have done, and I've learned a lot by studying various "selections".
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Hey, no problem at all. Maybe the other thread will catch on. Thanks for the kind words Diver Down....

Stan
 

From the Potosi Mint in Mexico City?....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1640-TREASURE-OF-CONCEPCION-SILVER-8-REALES-POTOSI-MEX_W0QQitemZ190377043157

Not sure why this guy says this is a 1622 coin and that he found it on a 1715 beach. Same guy had it not too long ago and said it was from the Atocha, but lost his cert....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1622-8-REALE-SHIPWRECK-COIN-FROM-THE-1715-FLEET_W0QQitemZ120537694274

Little bit of a price cut since this was last advertised. Thought about buying it despite the light weight. It is hard to find a Maravillas coin with any detail left....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1654-Boliva-8-Reales-Spain-Maravilla-20-5-gr-Graded-COA_W0QQitemZ400106324710

Trez, you see a "715" on that middle coin....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Shipwreck-Spanish-Colonial-Silver-Coin-x3-Cobs-Genuine_W0QQitemZ280471397324

I wrote this guy and told him this was a replica and that the 13 grams ought to be a clue. He revised his listing to say 20 grams. Feel free to write him.... ;D
http://cgi.ebay.com/8-Reals-Shield-Cob-Coin-1581-1586_W0QQitemZ330409578518

You don't normally see a die split on the Guatemala strikes....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Guatemala-Silver-18th-Century-4-Reales-Cob_W0QQitemZ250588175046

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I have to say that I really appreciate this thread!!! I have wanted to buy old Spanish cob/coins for a long time now but I knew there were tons of fakes being sold. I am becoming more and more interested in the Conquistadors and their cobs but as a beginner I am overwhelmed by all the fakes that are on the market. Thanks DiveWrecks and everybody else that has contributed to this great thread!!!

Maybe someday soon I will make the plunge and actually buy a few cobs but for now I will just sit back and study what has already been posted here. :icon_pirat:
 

TreasureFiend said:
I have to say that I really appreciate this thread!!! I have wanted to buy old Spanish cob/coins for a long time now but I knew there were tons of fakes being sold. I am becoming more and more interested in the Conquistadors and their cobs but as a beginner I am overwhelmed by all the fakes that are on the market. Thanks DiveWrecks and everybody else that has contributed to this great thread!!!

Maybe someday soon I will make the plunge and actually buy a few cobs but for now I will just sit back and study what has already been posted here. :icon_pirat:
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Thanks, feel free to ask any questions during your study. It is somewhat overwhelming at first, but you'll get comfortable. Let me know if you eventually decide on a particular coin type you have in mind and I'll be glad to give you some personalized picks to study and perhaps bid on.

Stan
 

Counterfeit arrowhead....
http://cgi.ebay.com/MEXICO-8-REALES-MACUQUINA-1616-M-F-SILVER-26-4-Grs_W0QQitemZ110501701851

No, not 1665, this is a 1653. Probably from the wreck of the Capitana or the Maravillas....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1665-Spanish-Piece-of-Eight-8-Reales-Cob-Coin-w-CoA_W0QQitemZ350323578601

A 1732 coin from a 1682 wreck? What's with these people?....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1732-Shipwreck-8-Reale-Silver-Cob-From-Joanna_W0QQitemZ140387666695

Cob wannabe.....
http://cgi.ebay.com/VENEZUELA-4-REALES-SILVER-COIN-1820-TOSTON_W0QQitemZ280472712519

1715 fleet coin. Had to strain my eyes to read the cert - Captain Carl Fismer....
http://cgi.ebay.com/SILVER-PIECE-OF-8-REALES-COBB-PHILIP-V-1715_W0QQitemZ190377272226

Half reale of Phillip V....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Spanish-Colonial-Philip-V-1700-24-AD-1-2-Reale-Cob_W0QQitemZ150419540495

Half reale of Charles II....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Spanish-Colonial-Charles-II-1665-1700-AD-1-2-Reale-Cob_W0QQitemZ150419535368

Cant, quite get the date of this 1 reale....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Spanish-Colonial-Lima-ca-1680-1750-AD-1-Reale-Cob_W0QQitemZ150419539365

Looks like the end coin sheared off a poured strap....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1715-FLEET-SPANISH-SILVER-COB-COIN-MEXICO-8-REALE-21-9g_W0QQitemZ180475846673

One for Trez to study....
http://cgi.ebay.com/POTOSI-OR-LIMA-2-REALES-ASSAYER-B-OVER-R-L-K-L-K_W0QQitemZ160409532185


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The seller (Joel Ruth) is a respected conservator and I know that he was involved in coin preservation in recoveries from the Consolacion and Capitana wrecks in Ecuador among others. I have bought from him twice. You don't need to worry about his coins being legit. Most coins at 27 grams are considered full weight and many slipped below that. A 4 gram loss is not that unreasonable from a sea salvage coin. That being said, you can find examples from this wreck (Consolacion) with more legible features than this coin. There were two recently that showed quite a bit of detail. I'll keep my eyes open for you if you are interested in a coin from that particular wreck. By the way, there is a good book written on that wreck by a guy named Bill Seliger if you want to study the history.

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