Dutch Shultz Catskills cipher treasure map

[Crow]

Hola Amigo

Good questions I think we are dealing with smoke and mirrors with Dutch Schultz story? Perhaps the whole treasure story was ruse?

Kanacki

Gidday Kanacki

It we want to look for gangsters treasure ya have to think like one. And we all know when your in the criminal underworld you have no real friends just acquaintances.

The treasure story connected to Dutch Schultz came out in 1968 about Phoenicia. But who was the original source of the treasure story? There is only one person who could of benefited from such a story being released perhaps even to deflect suspicion away from him?

Dare to guess Kanacki?

Crow

 

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[KANACKI]

Gidday Kanacki

It we want to look for gangsters treasure ya have to think like one. And we all know when your in the criminal underworld you have no real friends just acquaintances.

The treasure story connected to Dutch Schultz came out in 1968 about Phoenicia. But who was the original source of the treasure story? There is only one person who could of benefited from such a story being released perhaps even to deflect suspicion away from him?

Dare to guess Kanacki?

Crow

Hola Amigo Crow

If I was to speculate my number one suspect would be Dixie Davis.



J. Richard Davis (1905 – December 30, 1969), also known as Dixie Davis, was the lawyer for mobster Dutch Schultz.
Davis was born in New York City in 1905 and grew up in Tannersville, New York after his father, a tailor named Davidowitz, relocated the family to the Catskills. ( Sounds familiar? So Dixie no doubt knew the Catskills and Phoenicia well? Well enough to give a good description of a place and even make a map?)

Davis attended Syracuse University Law School and was admitted to the New York State Bar in 1927. He served a clerkship, and then started his own firm in New York City specializing in defending mobsters.

Many of Davis' clients were African-Americans involved in the numbers game in Harlem.In 1932 he decided that he could take control and brought in Dutch Schultz as enforcer only to lose control to Schultz.

With the murder of Schultz in 1935, Davis took back over his numbers racket. But on July 14, 1937 a grand jury indicted Davis for racketeering. In exchange for his cooperation, Davis was sentenced to one year in prison and was disbarred. So we can assume he had by then lost control of the numbers game as other players had stepped in.

He does his years Sentence then what?

Kanacki

 

[Crow]

Gidday Kanacki

We have to look deeper into Dixie Davis and what happened to him after Dutch Schultz Death. The New York Times Dated Jan 1 1970 Gives more insight into Dixie Davis after Schultz's death.

Then began the decline of Davis. On Oct. 20, 1936, Mr. Dewey indicted 14 persons in a $2‐million annual restaurant racket. Davis was not one of them, but lie was mentioned in the indictment as having been retained as counsel by gangsters who had seized control of a union.


Mr. Dewey, running for office against the Tammany affiliated Mr. Dodge in the 1937 election, made Mr. Davis a campaign issue. In a speech on Oct. 11 he charged that Davis had become “top commander” of the remnants of the gang left after Schultz's murder, and leader of the policy racket.


On Nov. 5, Davis was dis barred for having advised criminals in advance of their committing crimes — a result of his retainer from Schultz.

Davis was indicted for conspiracy to operate the numbers racket. He won leniency — a one‐year sentence—by testifying against James J. Hines, a Tammany leader and a co‐defendant, Mr. Dewey's real target.


After his release from prison Davis dropped out of the news, He drifted West and lived quietly on the Coast.

In fact he fled New York with his lady love his wife, the former Follies showgirl Hope Dawn. Here is a picture of them below.

But before he flees the troubles of New York. He gives an extraordinary interview in 1939.

Crow

 

[KANACKI]

Hola Amigo Crow

But why would he even bother to say anything to newspaper rather than just slipping quietly away out of new York into a new life?

Kanacki

 

[Crow]

Hola Amigo Crow

But why would he even bother to say anything to newspaper rather than just slipping quietly away out of new York into a new life?

Kanacki

Gidday Kanacki

Why would he indeed...

Crow

 

[KANACKI]

Gidday Kanacki

Why would he indeed...

Crow

Arrrghs avast ye old pirate of beach bum raggedy old Crow, ya been holding out on me! Ya doing a Hardluck just when you think ya got it nailed ya spring another twist. What have you stuck your beak into?

Whats is in this 1939 interview that Dixies Davis gave?

Kanacki

 

[Crow]

Gidday Kanacki

Lawyer Dixie Davis writes a first hand account in Collier's Magazine in a 1939 issue. Dixie Davis was a witness to Dutch Schultz's box of treasure and memorializes it in his article! You can see his comments below, In 1930 this was the first mention the steel box.

You will notice amigo Dixie allude to having hunches?

Crow

 

[Crow]

Gidday Kanacki

Now look at Dixies statement below about Dutch Schultz interest in diamonds and Jewellery in which he was buying stolen gems.

So even Dixie Davis in his interview figured Schultz after tax agent had seized much of his money was shifting his wealth from money stocks and bond to diamonds and jewellery.

After Dutch Schultz was gunned down, Dixie Davis fell on hard financial times and needed money to move to California. Dixie Davis wrote a series of articles for Collier's Magazine in 1939 for $10,000. Note, in this section of one of the articles, Dixie witnessed Dutch Schultz with jewels and a gold note $1000 bill.

Crow

 

[KANACKI]

Hola Crow

Ah I think I understand ya Wiley old black bird is alluding too?

Willie Sutton, was one of the best jewel thief around at the time Willie admitted to a jail psychiatrist that he had a strange obsession when he saw a bank. Something in him would churn, his blood pressure would go up and then all he could think of was how to rob the bank that he was looking at.

Sutton may of fenced all of his jewels through Dutch Schultz. Willie Sutton scored over 400 heists. Dutch Schultz fenced Sutton's diamonds even while they were "hot" because Schultz was so wealthy that he was able to "sit" on the diamonds.

When Sutton was asked who fenced his stolen gems he inferred he had sold Dutch the diamonds below.



Kanacki

 

[Crow]

Hola Crow

Ah I think I understand ya Wiley old black bird is alluding too?

Willie Sutton, was one of the best jewel thief around at the time Willie admitted to a jail psychiatrist that he had a strange obsession when he saw a bank. Something in him would churn, his blood pressure would go up and then all he could think of was how to rob the bank that he was looking at.

Sutton may of fenced all of his jewels through Dutch Schultz. Willie Sutton scored over 400 heists. Dutch Schultz fenced Sutton's diamonds even while they were "hot" because Schultz was so wealthy that he was able to "sit" on the diamonds.

When Sutton was asked who fenced his stolen gems he inferred he had sold Dutch the diamonds below.

Kanacki

Gidday Kanacki

Dixie Davis knew everyone was looking for Dutch Schultz wealth such as money bonds extra. But it is only he who planted the story in interviews in 1939 about the vault or steel box.

Dixie Davies flees with wife for a new life in California. Where does he live? Bel Air one of most expensive prestigious suburbs on the west Coasts of the States. Admittedly he was alleged paid 10 grand for the 1939 interview. But would it had been enough to fund his quite yet lascivious lifestyle for the next 30 years away from the mob?

Not bad considering he was technically broke when he came out of prison in 1939? This asks the question where did his money come from to retire for 30 years?

In 1968 a book on Dutch Schultz comes out sparking public interest after 33 years on the fate of Dutch Schultz money?

I968 another book by Emil Schumacher entitled, Lost Treasures and How to Find Them? Who elaborates on the Phoenicia story and the buried trunk by Schultz and Lulu. And most of all presents an alleged map with directions appears from nowhere perhaps obtained from alleged secret source?

I suspect Dixie Davies was contacted by Emil Schumacher and Dixed gave him a map and yarn about Schultz hiding a trunk in Phoenicia. Davis knew the area well so he could put a pretty good description in a map of the area.

Perhaps the whole Phoenicia trunk story was invented to disguise what really happened to Dutch Schultz's wealth? I suspect the Phoenicia story was a ploy to divert attention from where Schultz money really ended up into the hands of Dixie Davis?

Dutch had converted his wealth into diamonds and expensive jewelry? Dixie Davis Knew this and he used those diamonds to fund a 30 year lavish lifestyle in California. Stolen jewels Amigo?

However not everyone believed that Phoenicia trunk story of course memories of mobsters die hard....

On December 31, 1969,Dixie Davis died of a heart attack in his home in Bel-Air, California during a break-in. Two masked gunmen had bound his wife and grandson and had stolen jewels, furs and cash.

So how many diamonds was stolen from the home invasion enough to cause Dixie Davis to die from a heart attack at 63?

Perhaps this is one hypothesis of what really happened?

Crow

 

[releventchair]

Davis is the easily found first mention of a box/ safe.

A recent group under the ambition of a private investigator who claims to be a descendent of an enforcer of Schultz might still be looking.
A picture is mentioned of a creek location. Though the who came into it's possession and any true fact of it being related to the box is left to our imagination...

A lawyer making off with the loot....
Schultz's "gang" was under lots of pressure. Between the feds , rivals, and disgruntled members....It was getting too unhealthy.
That may have allowed temporary diversions as the chance to swipe a stash. But with no repercussions?

One of his (Schultz's) associates (another enforcer I think , initials S.G..) was injured. Punched hard and stabbed prior to the chophouse events.
Just prior to the months long lag/delay of awaiting charges , he asked for some time off to recuperate. It was granted and he was well out of range of local events when Schutz went down for the count. He was warned not to return to N.Y. , but by whom?
He lived to 104.
He was alive then , to pursue anyone known to have pinched a cache belonging to his former boss. Would he have if knowing someone took it?
No , he was not in the mafia like he was prior and he was back to his home turf going "straight" mostly after WW2. That does not mean he lived in a vacuum. Or had no interest in Dutch's residuals.
Unknown too is who all (if anyone) was looking out for Dutch's family's interests.

IF the lawyer nabbed the alleged box he is thought to be first to mention existing , he might have lived rather nervously after.

 

[kudo623]

Giday Kudo

GABNN3 gave some interesting comments years ago which may be correct or may not?

There was a 3 year period between the murder of Schultz. On October 23, 1935, In October, 1936, Shapiro and Buchalter were convicted under the terms of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act and were both sentenced to two years in Sing Sing Prison.

After his conviction, Shapiro went into hiding for a year. However, he finally turned himself in to Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) agents on April 14, 1938 and was sent to prison. On May 5, 1944, Shapiro was convicted of conspiracy and extortion and sentenced to 15 years to life in prison. Shapiro died June 9, 1947.

If he had removed this alleged treasure he never got to enjoy it?

He had a 3 year period to find Schultz alleged money? If he had done so he could of fled and not just turn himself in? That to me suggests he had no money to flee with as he could never expect to get a short sentence for his crimes? So for me that points to him never finding the alleged loot or he never looked to begin with?

Crow

Crow:
There is one other scenario--that Shapiro had the map in hand and searched for the loot and found the tree (the carved date in it, etc.,) but the treasure was not there?

 

[kudo623]

This article might shed some light on what happened to the Liberty bonds that Schultz buried in the metal box in Phoenicia NY? Its very likely that Schultz used them to pay his bail with? If so then he probably recovered his box of loot sometime in 1934, rendering Lulu's Treasure map as useless.

 

[Citiboy289]

Interesting information. Thanks for posting

 

[kudo623]

Here's one interesting story from an "old timer" who said he saw Schultz in Phoenicia that fateful afternoon on October 23, 1935, before he was gunned down that night. Its probably just another story, but it seems to fit in with the timeline of events that were happening. After Schultz' acquittal in Malone NY on August 1, 1935, on suspected "jury tampering", Prosecutors were going to get Schultz one way or another and slapped him with 11 more counts of Income Tax Evasion on October 10, 1935. I think at this time Schultz knew they were going to get him. I'm thinking he probably recovered his buried loot sometime in 1934 because he was out of money. He borrowed money to pay the $75000 bail, on February 20, 1935, with Liberty Bonds, and probably needed money for other things, like paying lawyer fees and bribing public officials and pumping money into the town of Bridgeport where he stayed from April 30 to Sept 24, 1935, before his trial and after his acquittal. He also needed $50,000 additional funds for bail on the new 11 count indictment on October 10, 1935. Schultz knew he was in deep trouble and probably took the money he had left over, possibly 1-5 Million, mentioned in his deathbed Transcript, and buried it in the Catskills once again, in a different hiding place?

 

[KANACKI]

Hola amigo

Interesting post. However we have look deeper to substantiate this alleged 80 plus year old Micky Simpsons claim in 1991 about being a long time resident in Phoenicia, Ulster, New York, USA?

In 1930 there was 180 people listed on the Census. That includes adults and children. In the 1940's there was 31 one people including Adults and children.

While searched I used M, Mick, Micky, Michel and anyone by the surname of Simpson. There was none.

So I suspect this person Mickey Simpson who was allegedly a long term resident was a person of convenience created to substantiate the book authors claims in 1991.

Either that or just a old man telling BS to the author that he knew Schultz to gain some fame or notoriety?

It could be counter claimed that he allegedly only lived there between The 1930 and 1940 census? But not being picked up in the census records before or later connect to Phoenicia, Ulster, New York, USA starts to raise a red flag in fact not being a long time resident at least? Also tried any connection to Birth deaths and Marriages. Nothing Zip nothing nada......

An author could make these claims in 1991 not expecting to get caught out. but since 2000 you can check online the census roles. And you can it see this is one of problems researcher for truth are faced with. When picking through claims of book authors that all their statements are fact.

The trio learned the hard way many years ago never trust treasure book authors word for word.

Regardless you are doing a terrific job questioning everything. In which all good treasure hunters should do.

Cheers Kanacki

 

[kudo623]

Hola amigo

Interesting post. However we have look deeper to substantiate this alleged 80 plus year old Micky Simpsons claim in 1991 about being a long time resident in Phoenicia, Ulster, New York, USA?

In 1930 there was 180 people listed on the Census. That includes adults and children. In the 1940's there was 31 one people including Adults and children.

While searched I used M, Mick, Micky, Michel and anyone by the surname of Simpson. There was none.

So I suspect this person Mickey Simpson who was allegedly a long term resident was a person of convenience created to substantiate the book authors claims in 1991.

Either that or just a old man telling BS to the author that he knew Schultz to gain some fame or notoriety?

It could be counter claimed that he allegedly only lived there between The 1930 and 1940 census? But not being picked up in the census records before or later connect to Phoenicia, Ulster, New York, USA starts to raise a red flag in fact not being a long time resident at least? Also tried any connection to Birth deaths and Marriages. Nothing Zip nothing nada......

An author could make these claims in 1991 not expecting to get caught out. but since 2000 you can check online the census roles. And you can it see this is one of problems researcher for truth are faced with. When picking through claims of book authors that all their statements are fact.

The trio learned the hard way many years ago never trust treasure book authors word for word.

Regardless you are doing a terrific job questioning everything. In which all good treasure hunters should do.

Cheers Kanacki

Hi Thanks Kanacki!
The article here speaks about two old timer accounts:
Lost Treasure of Dutch Schultz | dailyoddsandends (wordpress.com)
The one I'm referring to is not Micky, but the 80 year old man (no name given) who says Schultz buried his loot below Devils Face.
(If anyone has any additional info on this story's authenticity please let me know)

One other thing, Wikipedia has Schultz making the metal box after his second indictment on October 11, 1935, fearing he would be sent to prison.
But if Gab's research is accurate and found the actual tree, with the date of 1934 inscribed on it, then Schultz made the box in 1933-1934 and interred it in Phoenicia in 1934,
while he was on the Lam, before he surrendered to authorities in Albany NY on November 1934.
Crow's Collier's article has Dixie Davis mentioning seeing the metal box in 1930--which discounts Wikipedia's date of 1935, and all other accounts for that matter.

If Schultz and Lulu did in fact go to Phoenicia on Oct 23, 1935, according to the old timer's account, if authentic, and did in fact eat at the Hotel there at 1PM, and return to town at 3PM then that's 2 hours of time that would suggest to me that he probably had the box with him then and could have interred it somewhere in those mountains off Route 214 North? This has always been my belief.

 

[Citiboy289]

This thread has really begun to explore so great info. I had posted my opinions in other Shultz threads on the forum . I had frequented the Phoenicia area years ago before moving south in 1999. The hotel still stands in the center of town big white building. Great Buffett on Sundays. I have also stayed at a cabin place along the creek it was pretty dated even back then. I have always believed that as the poster said that the Esopus was famous for washing out and that it feeds into the reservoir. Another piece of information is that during the flooding the rail bed was washed out several times until it was raised higher. A good example of the reconfiguration is at the foot of Jay Street. A fact that has recently come to my mind is the time frame. The driving time from Phoenica to Newark the current distance center to center is 121 miles, but that includes the use of the NYS Thruway. I87 or at current speeds would take at least. 2 and a half hours. Then it would have taken in my opinion at least 5 hours using the older roads. So just some things to consider in the search

 

[KANACKI]

Hola Amigos some good stuff being posts here and refreshing to see open minds casting the research net far and wide.

I might pay you to look through FBI records.

Kanacki

 

[Crow]

Gidday amigos

Some interesting research is going on with this topic.

However the FBI archive is rather useless either from poor quality copies out of focus or been censored out as seem some copies below.

While the FBI censored files are not much use there are other files in existence that might be the edge in finding out the truth?

Crow