"Due to overwhelming worldwide demand, F75 stock will be very limited!"????

[LuckyLarry]

Re: "Due to overwhelming worldwide demand, F75 stock will be very limited!"?

Well, I sold my Sov. It could find something as small as a shirt button but it would not, could not, and did not find a fine-wire gold or silver chains or rings well at all. It could not find a BB sized nugget but my cheap Tesoros, Tejon, White's, and all my Compasses and Chinese detectors could. Even the cz-70 was able to find a BB sized nugget and fine wire jewelry, although only about 4" from the coil. In fact the Sov really sucked on low conductance metal overall. It did really well on aluminum - but did worse than my cheap Chinese "Explorer" that I paid $59 for on Amazon when in high trash areas. The only good quality it had was that it ran very quiet on salt/high iron beaches, and I did like that. But typically it was a heavy beast. It (may?) have found an earring the size of the one in the video but it would not have found that chain in a hundred light years. And yes, it was working the way it was designed to, I even checked the impedance and voltage output to the coil because I was concerned about it's performance. It was all good. It did well on coins in clean fields but was nearly worthless in parks and schoolyards when the trash was heavy.

It would not, could not, and did not cancel pulltabs (or nickels) at all in really bad soils. It lagged sorely behind my Fisher cz-70, Compass Scanner, and Tesoros for depth and target separation, and got a lot less depth than my Tejon in mild to medium soils - and did even worse when the soil was really high in iron. In fact it was a nightmare when the iron hunk was bigger than a 3" rusty bolt.

The smallest gold item it could find was a baby's pinkie ring just barely smaller than a half-dime (approx 5/16"), but only at about 6" in air. All in all I thought it was a heavy piece of junk and I sold it. The Tejon was almost as bad so I traded it for the Browning A-Bolt 338 mag rifle I have sitting here in the corner in Alaska for whenever the grizzes start to wake up in early Spring. I did well by getting rid of both those detectors. If I were a relic hunter using it in very open light-iron plowed fields or ran it strictly on salt beaches - either one would have been an ok detector, but not my first choice.

I think the videos are valid, at least as to my experience.

Time for coffee

LL

 

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[Treasure_Hunter]

Re: "Due to overwhelming worldwide demand, F75 stock will be very limited!"?

My Sovereigns have found small loop gold earrings, gold diamond studs, and lots of silver and gold rings, my wife's fingers has the diamond rings. I use no descrimination at all, I don't want to descriminate out any gold, so I can't say anything about discriminating the pulltabs.

As far as iron in fields, I am not a relic hunter, I hunt jewelry at the beaches. I do know Minelab Sovereigns have a good rep in England for hunting the fields there.

http://www.garysdetecting.co.uk/sovgt.htm

Not disputing your opinion, only stating I am very happy with both my Sovereign GTs and highly recommend them to anyone wanting to hunt salt water beaches, even more so when the WOT or SEF coil is added...............Some people hate Fords and will only buy Chevys, other people hate Chevys and will only buy Fords.........

 

[M Scott @ FTP]

Re: "Due to overwhelming worldwide demand, F75 stock will be very limited!"?

Some people hate Fords and will only buy Chevys, other people hate Chevys and will only buy Fords.........

At least Ford and Chevy are both American companies!

I have a problem with foreign profiteers taking advantage of hard working Americans by knowingly lying to the American public in order to siphon US dollars out of our country and into China or Malasia and Australia. The sad thing is many US citizens dont care but I am proud to be a staunch US patriot with honor and integrity that is always supportive of my country and US made products whenever possible just as my patriotic father and grandfather who fought in WW2 taught me to be. I see one company as a great examples of whats wrong with this country today. I don’t agree with hurting the US economy or supporting and endorsing non US companies and their overpriced overweight products-this is JMHO. What works for you and your values are your own business and no personal offence is intended.

Mike

 

[LuckyLarry]

Re: "Due to overwhelming worldwide demand, F75 stock will be very limited!"?

TH

Some interesting side notes, but what would we do about the Mercedes, BMW, Toyota, and other foreign plants right here in America? Should we kick them all out? And what about the big heavy-duty equipment we sell to foreign countries, it's a multi-billion dollar industry for the USA?


I know it seems odd to the average person but I prefer to reserve any opinions I might have, save for preferences about good coffee or bad food.. Perhaps it comes from my Electronics Engineering training or working on or designing metal detectors, or from my work with the Fed Govt designing nuclear devices for the Dept of Defense to protect our Republic from the bad guys. I'm not sure exactly which it is, but I do make a real serious effort to not post any of my own opinions. I will post others though. With the case of Rebel Metal Detectors switch it appears to me that they;

#1 Discovered something that appeared better than what they were using.
#2 Compared them with each other.
#3 Decided it was in their better interest to switch perferences.
#4 Decided that it was their findings that the F-75's were the best for their uses.

This does not appear to be an opinion, it appears to be a fact.

With me, the behaviors of so many different detectors in different cases or environments is not a matter of my opinion, it's a matter of personal and professional experience, nothing more, nothing less.

Hope this clears up any misunderstandings.

LL

 

[Sandman]

Re: "Due to overwhelming worldwide demand, F75 stock will be very limited!"?

I am full of opinions, and like Lucky Larry, I try not to voice them. However sometimes my fingers type faster than my mind thinks so I try to not type any drivel.

I am an American and drive a Chevy. But my Impala is made in Canada though it's home company is mainly in the US and a lot of the parts are made around the world.

As to the Sovereign GT finding tiny gold, mine does well at this. I don't have the Wot coil only the standard and hunt with zero disc. and sometimes all metal depending on the area. I like the iron mask which will report on a gold ring with a iron nail thru it. I have found many gold earring backs and studs too. It may just be a slight varience in the detectors or coils. I don't know but I like it. Mine does however have trouble with them thin gold chains but will sound off on the small clasp.

My Tiger Shark now has no trouble finding them thin gold chains, but it can also find #9 bird shot in air tests or in the ground. This part is not good for my eyes or back.

 

[LuckyLarry]

Re: "Due to overwhelming worldwide demand, F75 stock will be very limited!"?

Some trivia and other banal thoughts:

It's a long-standing and common-knowledge fact that there are differences between "identical" coils and detectors. We old guys like SM and I know this and that's partially why we write here. The Fisher F-2, F-4, Aces, and various Nautiluses are prime examples of this little problem.

One day I was hunting in the parking area next to a very nice river commonly used for swimming/sunbathing. I saw a silver chain laying in the crushed rock and partially covered up by a bit of mud. I checked it with the Compass and got a reading in both all-metal AND disc. The Compass was originally designed to find nuggets and small relics so of course it worked best there.. Then I got out my Sovereign. Nothing in either mode. I mean not even a pip or a pop! The cz got it's best signal with everything notched in. All-metal sucked big time. Then I got out the "Chinese junk" one. Very nice signal! Both modes! The cheap "junker" did almost as well as the Compass. And in fact it's guts are a watered-down version of the Tesoro Compadre.

For the price of these #@&$&%$ detectors it would seem that an expensive detector should out-hunt a cheap one, but that's not true and mostly a matter of opinion - unless you know that in fact they could easily ALL be designed to do it all. They don't need a different freq for different metals - and they don't need several different coils either. It could be that mfgs are merely chasing public demands and don't care about better quality control, but it could also be that they just don't give a rip either and only care about making money. Either way when this happens and people discover it - they commonly move on to something that works better for them. No matter who you are, it's cheaper to go out and buy another detector rather than to design your own. It costs many thousands of dollars to design just one machine and it's just not worth all that expense, so we spend hundreds of bucks, instead of thousands.

I used to be a "Nationalist", like many other people, but eventually I discovered that one hand washes the other around the world. I discovered too that the whole thing boils down to profit - or lack of profit, and personal preferences. I prefer to drive Italian cars and drink German beer because the beer tastes the best and the Italians build beautiful and excellent driving cars. I prefer to eat Mexican or Hungarian food and wear American-made clothes and German, Italian, or American-made shoes. I'd rather drive a Bad-Ash Italian Ducatti than an American-made Harley. I want my home to be built by Americans mostly because it helps our economy, but I don't really care where metal detectors or computers, etc are made at all, as long as they work well and we exchange equally with other countries as regards to jobs and industry. If we don't I don't lke it at all. Again, preferences are not opinions they are all value-judgements and the best way for everybody to go. When in Europe it's a real shock to find that most people buy American-made items instead of their own. It's called freedom. Socialism doesn't allow us this freedom it enslaves us, but America and it's capitalism allows us to buy whatever we want to, American-made metal detectors or otherwise.

Time for some hot chocolate grown in Brazil, packed in Mexico, while I look for my slippers made in Hong-Kong, and sit in my chair made in Bangledesh and watch my TV made in the USA.

LL

 

[GibH]

Re: "Due to overwhelming worldwide demand, F75 stock will be very limited!"?

I used to be a "Nationalist", like many other people, but eventually I discovered that one hand washes the other around the world.

So true. Importing rods and PC boards from China and lcd screens from Mexico, then assembling them here doesn't make it exactly an American product anyway.

 

[LuckyLarry]

Re: "Due to overwhelming worldwide demand, F75 stock will be very limited!"?

S true GibH.

When I worked for an independent firm doing some of the Engineering for a VERY well-known "American" metal detector manufacturer (name withheld) it was all too common that many of the parts were stamped with foreign-name brands on them. Sears has done this for more than 40 years. The oldest American-made shoe company in Brockton, Mass (Knapp) eventually went to China to have their shoes made. It took very little time for the shoes to literally and actually "rot" sitting in a closet. It wasn't long before they went completely bankrupt too. What a shame. And yes until awhile before that time the materials were made in America. That's all gone now.

Personally I wish we could just have much of our stuff built either right here, or in Mexico instead of China. Mexico would boom and America would be able to jump next door if things were of poor quality.

Hmmm...?

Minelabs and Garretts made in Mexico? Isn't that already being tried there?

LL

 

[AUDuke]

Re: "Due to overwhelming worldwide demand, F75 stock will be very limited!"?

Opinions are formed by experiences.

 

[packfan_1982]

Re: "Due to overwhelming worldwide demand, F75 stock will be very limited!"?

"They are being sent to the Sudan"

And that brings me make to my point. I couldn't afford the F75 and I have a decent job. Who in the heck living in Sudan has $1000 for a metal detector? I have heard the reports of used Minelab 4500's selling over there for more than new ones do here. Now supposedly new F75's are in short supply while you can still pick up a used one for $500. Heck, used F70's barely bring $350. If there was such demand surely someone would be making their fortune buying up every used F70 and F75 on the cheap and shipping them to Sudan. That doesn't seem to be happening. I don't even see much demand on Ebay so why hasn't anyone in Sudan figured out how to use Ebay?

If you happen to find any more used F70 or F75's for those prices please let me know. Everything on ebay is going for at least $150 more than you say. I did find one gentleman in the classifieds selling a used F75 for $520 but he hasn't responded to my PM's.